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The Vatican sought to defend Pope Francis on Tuesday after he sparked fury in Ukraine by praising Russia's imperial rulers — a history President Vladimir Putin has invoked to justify his ongoing war.

The Kremlin delighted in the controversy, which stemmed from comments the pontiff made to a group of young Russian Catholics urging them to see themselves as the heirs of a "great" empire.

"Don’t forget your heritage. You are the descendants of great Russia: the great Russia of saints, rulers, the great Russia of Peter I, Catherine II, that empire — educated, great culture and great humanity," he told them in St. Petersburg by live video Friday.

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[–] hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Tbf there is a Russia that's great that is unconnected to the majority of it's leaders.

That said, it's not the one we see today.

[–] JoeCoT@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There just isn't. It was great in the same way the British Empire, the French Empire, the Spanish Empire, the American Empire, were "great". Big? Yes. Powerful? Yes. Forces of mass oppression and murder? Also yes. Praising Imperialists is going to win no favors.

The Bolshevik revolution was a blood bath of royals, but that was because Russia was the only major power to make it out of the revolutions of 1848 without losing their absolute monarchy. Russia still had friggin peasants prior to the Bolsheviks.

If the USSR hadn't gone the route of "permanent revolution" (ie permanent authoritarian government), there could have been a past to look bad fondly on. But instead the boot changed color, and they decided to make their neighbors learn of their peaceful ways, by force.

[–] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago

It was a blood bath of leftists, too. Lennin was intent on creating state management of the factories, and he knew that anyone to the left of the party would oppose this. The first people the bolsheviks went after were menchaviks, anarchists, and socialists.