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[–] chahk@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

This is gonna happen again, to right-wing jan 6 insurrectionist Jessica Watkins. A trans woman who is likely to be put into a male prison for 8 years.

That's exactly what she voted and insurrected for, right? A trans republican getting the taste of their anti-trans party's own medicine.

[–] Gaywallet@beehaw.org 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't think that the punishment meets the crime. No one deserves to be treated inhumanely in prison. No matter how mislead this person is, that's a terrible outcome. We need to find a way for people to have consequences which are reasonable to the crimes committed but focus more on how to move on and become a better society.

[–] chahk@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I can agree in principle. However, I can make exceptions for when people who vote for policies that promote and encourage discrimination experience the fruits of their labor first-hand.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago

Well, if it were extrajudicial I would agree. Leopards ate her face. But this is our country's judicial system. It isn't wholly owned by the far right (though it's wildly close).

[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 6 points 1 year ago

Then you have no principle with which to agree. You can’t be a fair weather ethicist. You either believe in human rights for ALL, including pieces of shit, or you don’t believe in them for ANYONE.

“Message to my enemies: when the revolution comes you’re not just gonna get the wall, Buddy, you’re gonna get four walls, a roof, clean clothes, good food, education, and quality health care, because that’s what every human being alive deserves.”

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Precisely this. I tend to extend the tolerance paradox to violence, sometimes people have never been punched in the face and it shows. Just like tolerance of intolerance only allows intolerance to spread and shit all over everything, so does pacifism in the face of violence. I don't want her to be hurt, but she supported a system and society that sees violence against trans as a core value and she doesn't get to shocked Pikachu when she reaps the fruits of her labors.

Sucks to suck. 🤷

[–] Nechesh@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

We don't sentence & punish people based on their politics. That way leads only to crazy fascism.

[–] Whom@beehaw.org 17 points 1 year ago

Yes, and there's an irony to it. That doesn't change that it's cruel and absolutely not something that should be happening even to the worst people out there, regardless of how much we hate them or if it's exactly what they were pushing to make even worse.

[–] LoamImprovement@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

I'm sorry, do you want bad things to happen to trans people? Yeah, she's an insurrectionist, no, that doesn't mean she should get put in harm's way as part of her sentencing. Find your fucking heart.

[–] heliodorh@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

Are trans rights human rights or not? You think it's fine for a trans women to be raped and murdered in a men's prison because her politics are shit? Well, thanks for letting us know where you stand.

[–] Nechesh@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

No one deserves to be raped and murdered in prison. The justice system is far from perfect but we don't sentence people to be raped and then murdered. We do rarely sentence people to death, but not by vigilante shanking or beating.