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[–] Rule14@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Living conditions subpar in a country fighting of a brutal invasion & genocide?

Get the fuck outta here.

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago (9 children)

In early August, deputies of the Ukraine president's 'Servant of the People' party in the national legislature ('Rada') introduced a bill that provides for the conscription of forced labor of all those who have not been conscripted to the armed forces. Formally free citizens who already cannot legally leave the country due to wartime restrictions will now also be subjected to forced labor.

This was really inevitable, yeah.

[–] Durotar@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I don't think that you fully understand what's happening. This is not Call of Duty. Leave any internal political issues until the end of the war. Right now, you're helping Russia.

[–] Sasuke@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Leave any internal political issues until the end of the war

and how do you imagine they'll do that exactly? how are they even to begin resolving their political issues when all leftwing parties have been banned, unions are severely restricted, and strikes and protests have been made illegal? even if the allow for free elections again, any post-war government will have to act adhere to the neoliberal repayment programs of the IMF and other foreign actors, meaning further wage cuts, more austerity, more privatization

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Good points, but what's the alternative? At least Ukraine has a chance to even have internal politics after the war.

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[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago (18 children)

So are we just supposed to allow (heck, even support!) Ukraine despite them implementing a system of modern slavery for their people, blocking civilians from fleeing, and forced conscription, some of it even slated to last even beyond the end of the war, because to even criticise it is "helping Russia"? Helping Russia do what, exactly? Look better than Ukraine? That's on Ukraine to be the big boy.

This is not Call of Duty, a war is waged for political reasons, and therefore the politics of it should be laid bare.

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oh my god you're one of those idiots

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ha, a throwback to my childhood.

"If we don't send thoughtlessy load more people and munitions into the meat grinder right this minute, then the terrorists win!"

[–] Durotar@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ukraine has never asked to send people. You have no idea what's happening and why, do you?

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lol we've have a news megathread every day since the SMO started full of military, economic, historical and sociological analysis regarding every new develpoment in the region. You should stop in sometime, you might learn something.

Like how the US and it's vassals are shoving Ukranians into the meat grinder by torpedoing every round of negotiations while buying up Ukranian land and assets at rock bottom prices. But hey, I don't expect you forced conscription and cluster bomb enthusiasts to be well-versed in any situation when it's so much easier to just vibe out and cheer for Our Team.

[–] The_Walkening@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

This war is a result of Ukraine's internal political issues, namely it's insistence on claims to territories that don't want to be a part of Ukraine.

[–] Dum@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago

He WANTS to help Russia... Don't feed the troll.

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Literally every single country on this planet will do this when forced to fight a defensive war.

Civil liberties are fine and well but in wartime that goes out the window real quick regardless of ideological orientation of the government.

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Now let's here your opinion on Stalin.

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[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

I wish liberals would understand this in the context of communist movements struggling to get out from under global capitalist hegemony and violent dominance. Like, China pushing into the South China Sea is seen as terrible and authoritarian but Taiwan is literally a separatist government from the losers of the civil war protected by the global imperialists who dominated China for well over a century and have encircled China with 600+ military bases and a global torture program, among other things.

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