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[–] ndsvw@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The problem we are having: There is a person (Putin) who thinks that it's worth it to go to war against Ukraine.

The whole scenario of fighting at all cost just leads to one thing … more war

So, what would happen when we stop supporting Ukraine? 2 options:

  1. The war will end for now and in a few years, Putin will start the next try.
  2. Putin conquers the whole Ukraine.

Ukraine fights its way to the Russians and completely defeats them

You mean, Ukraine could occupy Russian territory? I think, that's not realistic. And Ukraine knows that the support of the West ends when they do that.

I have no love for Russia … I have no love for war … I support Ukrainian independence

Me, too...

But I think, what the history (Crimea 2014 + the next try in 2022) tells us, is that Putin thinks that war is worth it. And as long as he thinks that that's true, he will not stop. Yes, we could end this episode of the war now. And in 2026, Putin will try it again and again and again.

Putin acts a little bit like Hitler. Yes, you could have given him territory to "stop the war", but that person wanted the war.

We have 2 options:

  1. We stop supporting Ukraine. This costs us money in the end.
  2. We continue supporting Ukraine. This costs us money in the end.

My conclusion: I don't care how much money we spend: Our main goal should be making it as expensive for Putin as possible to fight this war to make him stop not just for a few years until his next try, but rather forever.