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They are walled gardens, even more walled then youtube. You can only view the content if you pay a fee.
On that alone I would rather use youtube.
I support peer tube, odysee, and rumble (though rumble is just trying to be another youtube) because they are not walled gardens.
How should the creators be compensated? This isn't being made by some large media conglomerate and they are creating content that has been found to not be able to be funded by advertising.
Thats a good question. If these closed gardens provided a copy to internet archive (to be unlocked in the future, or in the event of bankruptcy) I think I wouldn't have any objections.
There are many monetization models in the world, this one is problematic for the reasons I brought up earlier.
If we take a note from literature publishing, libraries can lend out a copy, and the library of congress gets one (two?) free copies of every book. Maybe the same could be done with digital content.
The pateron model where subscribers get early content a few days, weeks, or month ahead of time is another option.
I don't know the best, or perfect solution, but making ephemeral work that disappears in a few years (the ultimate dark age of bit rot) worries me.
As far as I'm aware, Nebula / Curiosity Stream doesn't have any exclusivity agreements with creators... they're free to post their videos elsewhere, too. Why is it Nebula's responsibility - or even their right - to archive creators' content? Shouldn't the creators be the ones to decide how and where their content is distributed?
For Nebula, it depends.
If the creator made the work on their own dime, then it can be released anywhere.
However, Nebula will give creators money to make content that creators could not self fund. In those cases, these videos could either be Nebula exclusive or Nebula first videos.
I think a major part of the problem is that Internet videos haven't seemed to reach a point where it is viable to purchase them. Libraries were able to exist because they were protected to be able to lend purchased books due to first sale doctrine. We don't have an equivalent to this for Internet videos as the market isn't there.
There seems to be a floor of around a dollar where a digital good will be sold in a marketplace where the good can be used outside of that marketplace. No one is going to sell a digital good for a cent or a fraction of a cent, so there isn't the ability for a library to buy a video for archival purposes.
I don't know how that gets fixed.
No, that's the deep web.
Data on the internet can, and often will, get lost, paywall or not. And I don't see the issue in paying creators, who often also have to put a lot of money into making their videos. Seems preferable to having to rely on sponsorships and ad revenues.
Oh, good point! I didn't know the distinction! thank you
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Deep_Web#English
Deep web and dark web are synonyms, really.
I agree with you, I miss comments from random people, even on youtube, most of the time it os some useful insight.
That was the worst part of having some subscription, no coments.
This is consequence of walked garden. Creators should be compensated, but this model is not for me.