this post was submitted on 23 Aug 2023
849 points (88.3% liked)
Memes
46066 readers
13 users here now
Rules:
- Be civil and nice.
- Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
stay classist,
The “show 18 more comments” button below this comment isn’t loading and I so desperately want to see the cope within
I love that y'all use that as an insult. It only carries any weight in your own echo chamber, you know that right? No where else on the planet (be it a forum or a physical space) does that mean anything. Well, maybe within north korea
Don't worry, absolutely no one there is thinking about internet liberals, the DPRK lives rent-free in your head though
Lol yeah they're thinking about the coming winter, or the reality that they aren't even allowed to leave their country (for all but the most privileged) unfortunately
This is true, do you know who keeps them inside though? The United Nations's Security Council.
Security Council Tightens Sanctions on Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Unanimously Adopting Resolution 2397 (2017)
So when they cross the dmz are they loaded in a catapult and sent back?
No they give them lots of money so they can be used as propaganda, like that lady that claimed NK moved trains with people and ate mud.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39170614
Hilarious joke, almost as funny as supporting sanctions that kill people because the sanctioned country has a scary ideology you know nothing about.
Uh huh. Keep defending them, very impressive. I wonder how the government of nk earned those sanctions?
Indeed their people suffer in more.ways than one.
I'm sure folks worried about food are the ones not finding work abroad 🙄
Acquiring nuclear warheads and weapons that can be used with said warheads, the same thing Israel did and wasn't punished for, I wonder why that is...
(hint: one of these states is an American puppet!)
Also acquired in the context of preventing the world superpower from killing 20 percent of them again without them having to spend so much on their conventional military.
"We do horrible things to them, but we're the good guys so they must deserve it"
This is such a deranged thing to say. Do you think this about Cuba too?
Cuba and north Korea are not the same country fyi
America bad, if it helps you clock out
So you're against the sanctions against Cuba, but for the sanctions against the DPRK?
They are not the same, but it is America sanctioning both of them, and despite your worthless disavowed, your claim still rests on the tacit assumption that it is fairly arbitrating which civilian population deserves to suffer for decades.
Quick, tell me about the taean work system, which is used in all medium and large workplaces, without googling it. Since you're so informed about the dprk
(The point of this is to make you reconsider how much you actually know about the country that isnt just straight up propaganda)
I'll meet you: without googling I believe that is a work transfer system with China. I think it's rail based, and I think they stay for some time.
But they aren't free to go where they please, or leave the region entirely without ramifications.
It isnt their agricultural system, I would suggest you reread the whole thing because you've missed the most important aspect of what taean means. It means a collaboration between organized local labor and wider democracy, overseen by special interests such as the woman's league.
Why would you argue it is ineffective? Studies show the cooperatives work better than privately owned businesses. Also you haven't established that the dprk is "authoritarian" any more than any other state.
They experienced famine after the collapse of the USSR, theyre doing fine on food now.
Well, you should. They tried to liberate the south when the US and US puppet dictator were killing tens of thousands of protestors. 20 percent of them died and all their infrastructure was bombed. After the war they did better under a socialist economy than the South until the US massively subsidized the South and the USSR collapsed, cutting off trade because of sanctions from the people who committed genocide on them (the US)
I would like to know what "own words and reports" you're referring to.
This is an unusual claim, as most people do not let the DPRK speak for itself, even to then refute it. All you see is third hand horseshit along with defector "testimony".
Please enlighten me on why you think that is?
Also do you think the DPRK is a real sovreign nation?
Very few people fleeing the country do it via the dmz. They go through China (and get on a boat) because it's actually pretty easy for them to go to China. Trying to cross the DMZ is liable to get them shot at by troops on both sides because you really aren't supposed to cross without authorization, including southerners going north.
Nice whataboutism you centrist liberal tankie!!!
If "on the planet" you mean primarily the U.S and secondarily the rest of the "west" while excluding the majority of humanity on the planet, then sure.
You're so brainwashed and conditioned into believing you have more in common with some ghoul billionaire that values your life insofar as much as they can extract wealth out of you than your own fellow worker.
Obligatory comment that brainwashing is a myth rooted in orientalism and later pseudoscience, propagated by the US in order to make excuses for US soldiers defecting during the Korean War (et al).
That must be why you felt the need to respond to it.
This is a message board, where we reply to each other.
By your approach: why did you feel the need to defend him? See? Silly.
I am pretty sure "classist" is seen as a valid insult even among radlibs, and many other people believe in equivalent terms ("elitist" is not too far off)
Referring to "lib"
That's even sillier, since American parlance is definitely not universal and in most countries the colloquial meaning of "liberal" is essentially that of a market-loving centrist
Also, obviously, real-world American leftists use it too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cdqQ2BdgOA
Again, to millions and millions a "market loving centrist" is not an insult
You say "again," but that's a radically different claim from "this is an insult nowhere in the real world". Even in neoliberal states it's often an insult!
And to billions more it is, so going by consensus...