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[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Leftists claiming Stalin was right wing.

[–] FranklinsBeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 year ago

I'd take them over the ones that think Stalin was a good guy any day tbh

[–] freehugs@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Leftists who think, if I don't subscribe to their narrow, personal definition of leftism, I must be an epistemically evil conservative maniac with no middle ground whatsoever.

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's an oversimplified anarchist talking point against authoritarianism and the state. It's noting the similarities between conservative talking points and auth-left socialist rhetoric. Basically, almost everything you criticize about capitalism can be applied to the state. And defenses for the state from auth-left socialists sounds an awful lot like right wing talking points in defense of capitalism/imperialism/insertotherismhere. Not to mention, the USSR was pretty socially conservative and that's a big mark against them imo. Liberatory politics should liberate people, after all

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can sort of see where they’re coming from, if they’re equating authoritarianism to conservatism and libertarianism to liberalism. But in reality, Stalin was a left wing authoritarian.

[–] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago

If we look at the rhetoric, the soviet state was certainly left wing, but the main policy was state capitalism. To my mind, state capitalism is not a right wing (favors private control of industry) nor a left wing (favors worker control of industry) policy.

This is definitely a case where pure left/right dichotomy doesn't serve to accurately describe the situation on the ground.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What was left wing about stalin?

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

His economic policies, specifically collectivism, particularly in agriculture.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Makes me wonder why we even still have wings. Nobody can seem to define them adequately.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

TIL this is actually a thing and I'm not just an idiot speaking out of my ass (this time).

[–] cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 1 points 1 year ago

I remember only learning about it recently and being like "oh shit, so that's what's going on"

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cue the people downvoting horseshoe theory for no good reason

[–] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fact that it's stupid is a perfectly good reason to downvote it.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, that is a very good reason to downvote your comment.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

It’s better than the alternative, though it does leave me with a second question. If the far left and the far right resemble each other, can they be hybridized to make a kind of antichthon version of the center?

[–] bi_tux@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

They probably mistook right wing for auth

Good ol' conflating right/left and authoritarian/libertarian.