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[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dead people don't get a vote. People lining up to die are even less trust worthy about their choices.

[–] figaro@lemdro.id 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While humorous, that isn't actually how polls work. I'd suggest looking up the statistics. The majority of Ukrainians, even in the Eastern regions, still support defending themselves.

Does that mean that the majority of Ukrainians support fighting the war for the sake of US companies? Or could there be something else they are fighting for?

[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are fighting for honor glory and pride. However they will die for it and get none. While all the worst people in mu country will buy a new jetski off the profits they made from the ordeal

[–] figaro@lemdro.id 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it possible they are fighting to protect their freedoms and their families? Honor and glory is nice and all but I'd imagine that most of them aren't Game of Thrones characters.

[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, none of that is at stake. Russia has better labor rights than Ukraine. So if they cared about their families, especially the people in the region in question, they would be slfighting for russia.

[–] figaro@lemdro.id 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have to push back on "none of that is at stake."

When Russia sends missiles and drones into Kiev that hit civilian buildings, homes, and kill regular people on a daily/weekly basis, is the message they are receiving "Russia has better labor rights than Ukraine?"

[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

They are at war. That is what happens during war. They are only at stake because there is a war on. If the war stopped those would go away. And as Russia would likely increase thr labor standards in territory under their controll things would improve on every front for the lives of the average Ukrainian if the didn't do the war.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

The majority of Ukrainians, even in the Eastern regions, still support defending themselves.

Russian-supported polls can't be trusted, but the targets of 8 years of pogroms definitely aren't be coerced by Ukraine!