Fuck Cars
This community exists as a sister community/copycat community to the r/fuckcars subreddit.
This community exists for the following reasons:
- to raise awareness around the dangers, inefficiencies and injustice that can come from car dependence.
- to allow a place to discuss and promote more healthy transport methods and ways of living.
You can find the Matrix chat room for this community here.
Rules
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Be nice to each other. Being aggressive or inflammatory towards other users will get you banned. Name calling or obvious trolling falls under that. Hate cars, hate the system, but not people. While some drivers definitely deserve some hate, most of them didn't choose car-centric life out of free will.
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No bigotry or hate. Racism, transphobia, misogyny, ableism, homophobia, chauvinism, fat-shaming, body-shaming, stigmatization of people experiencing homeless or substance users, etc. are not tolerated. Don't use slurs. You can laugh at someone's fragile masculinity without associating it with their body. The correlation between car-culture and body weight is not an excuse for fat-shaming.
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Stay on-topic. Submissions should be on-topic to the externalities of car culture in urban development and communities globally. Posting about alternatives to cars and car culture is fine. Don't post literal car fucking.
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No traffic violence. Do not post depictions of traffic violence. NSFW or NSFL posts are not allowed. Gawking at crashes is not allowed. Be respectful to people who are a victim of traffic violence or otherwise traumatized by it. News articles about crashes and statistics about traffic violence are allowed. Glorifying traffic violence will get you banned.
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No misinformation. Masks and vaccines save lives during a pandemic, climate change is real and anthropogenic - and denial of these and other established facts will get you banned. False or highly speculative titles will get your post deleted.
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Yyyyyyyup. I was hoping to get away from reddit's hivemind of "Teslas are shit cars" but with Musk at the helm I don't think that's possible. Are they perfect? No. Are they awesome? IMO, yes.
Tesla's are shit cars though, and it has nothing to do with Musk. They have little to no driver feedback. The UX of their driver control systems are unresponsive and require the driver to take their eyes from the road. The idea of self-driving cars is a pipe dream that solves zero problems and simply aggravates existing individual transport problems.
Counterpoints:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/driver-door-falling-off.217185/
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-manually-open-tesla-door-if-battery-power-dies-2023-8?op=1
Lol seriously? My passengers find the manual release by accident the first time they go to get out. It's exactly where you would expect it to be.
"Extra! Extra! Some people are idiots!"
Keep trying, bud.
What are you even doing on the FuckCars section of this site anyway? Do you want to be congratulated for your sunk-cost fallacy
Some people say smug things like that, but then spend a lot of money on bad purchases and need to tell internet strangers that those bad purchases must be good purchases and any evidence to the contrary is from a bad source because it isn't a Tesla circlejerk in your favor.
Toyotas require virtually zero maintenance as well. The difference is that when you do need maintenance, it doesn’t cost a kidney and you can find a shop anywhere with the parts and expertise, or do it yourself at home
How is this a good thing? 40,000 deaths in America due to cars. Every year.
Lol. Everything is in the center of the car instead of right in front of me
This applies to all electric cars, this isn't exclusive to Tesla. And other electric cars don't have panel gaps.
The Tesla drives like an appliance, particularly in comparison to what are often considered "driver's cars". Nothing wrong with it, but don't expect car enthusiasts to like it.
Physical buttons are superior, and have been for decades. Voice controls and touchscreens are decisions made on a budget basis, not a UX basis, because they are objectively worse. It's corner-cutting, not improvement.
Are you calling Musk a liar?!? FSD has been coming "next year" for like six years now!!!
Literally yes.
Dang you managed to be right on one thing, congrats
Translates as: "I drive like an absolute cunt."
Did they fix the fact you can't open the door from the inside if the power is out without an instruction manual and fingernails?
The fuck are you talking about? There is a regular-sized door handle right there.
Only the front doors have a manual release. So what will your child in the back seat do in the situation of a crash, and the battery is compromised causing a loss of power and threat of combustion?
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_au/GUID-7A32EC01-A17E-42CC-A15B-2E0A39FD07AB.html
Oh wow, I did not notice that. Now THAT is a problem.
Wait aren't you the one who actually owns one of these lithium sand buckets?
Believe it or not I don't spend much time in the back seat.
So until today, you didn't know that you could potentially have locked someone in a ball of hot death because you assumed everything was fine because it looks cool
And your attitude about that horrifying revelation, is the equivalent of a snide shrug
Any car can potentially be a ball of hot death for the people inside. What do you expect me to do, sell the vehicle because some day I might hit all the points necessary for someone to be trapped in the back seat and at risk of harm or death? When I rarely ever have anyone back there? That's fucking ludicrous and a perfect fuck_cars take.
I don't think you understand the forces at play here. Gasoline burns at around 1000°c while lithium burns at over 2000°c. There is also the firefighting efforts about it (which is my job) which really suck. For a normal car or diesel fire with a water source we can fight the fire with foam, no problem. The NFPA doesn't even require us to carry Class D (metal fires) fire extinguishers on our trucks. We do have them on our trucks but they are designed for like, small appliances mostly, they don't have enough powder to actually manage a Tesla power system. We have to pull out whoever is inside then basically wait for the dump truck (literally a dump truck full of sand) to show up so we can glass most of the car in order to deny oxygen. Electric cars are a fucking grift, transport should be powered with overhead wires, maybe third rails.
Edit: also if you aren't car pooling why do you own a car? Why enter the "fuck cars" fray if you aren't anti-car?
You don't like, see if things work and stuff? Maybe I'm too used to having to deal with old beaters but checking if doors can be opened from the inside is a critical safety check. Its like checking to see if the seatbelts work. Do you ever drive people around?
I think it’s a cool feature tbh
That is kind of the funny thing about autos. Like most manufacturers are terrible in many ways. Environment, political, the way they treat people or how shitty their quality control is. Planned obsolescence. There is still a fake "supply demand" issue that they have literally concocted to jack prices through the roof. Literally price gouging asking 15k over asking because they pretend they have a supply issue lol.
All the US majors are in on this scam and it's sad we don't have a government worth a fuck to fight it..
Elon is just mouthy about it lol. I couldn't even tell you who the CEO of GMC is. They are awful as well tho.
The problem unique to car companies is that the Repubs are beholden to the car companies and the only unions big enough and worth a shit in the US is the UAW, and Democrats are beholden to anything they need.
So you literally can't do anything to regulate the industry without pissing off one or the other. The car companies will use any legislation raised against them to lay off union jobs.
Is the UAW still a powerful union? Hasn’t it been mostly dismantled and destroyed by union busting and automation?
Sure. Also Right-to-work legislation. Red States race to the bottom with worker protections.
Still the most powerful, tho.
Liberals downvoting a 100% based comment
Has
really changed that much since a year ago? It was a massive endless circlejerk for the Church of E-L-O-N back then, up to and including "ironic" pictures of their lord and savior presented as a saint in antiquity-style paintings.
https://carbuzz.com/news/tesla-admits-model-3-has-a-design-flaw
r/cars and other car "enthusiast" subs have been pretty anti-Tesla for quite some time, because Teslas aren't really anything approaching a "driver's car". They go fast in a straight line but have terrible feedback and handling.
That must be the so-called circlejerk that the Tesla consoomer disapproves of because it isn't the logical rational Tesla circlejerk that was otherwise hoped for.
They are extremely mad that car people don't like Teslas, and they post angrily about it on Reddit every hour of every day. Fortunately, Tesla people aren't "car people" so there's really no real life friction other than Tesla dorks probably showing up to cars and coffee all over the nation and feeling personally offended when nobody gives half a shit about their commuter coffin.
Oh, no!
Anyways...
When you think a meme absolves you from being a credulous and gullible consumer in denial about sunk-cost fallacy.
https://news.yahoo.com/tesla-makes-least-reliable-cars-133500819.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/tesla-car-battery-fire-needed-6000-gallons-water-to-extinguish-rcna68153
If you actually knew what you were talking about you'd know the consumer reports report referenced in the article weighs cosmetic issues as heavily as mechanical ones. It's been talked about to death since it came out a while ago but yeah, nice yahoo link, bro.
Any source that makes you feel a hint of buyer's remorse is a bad source.
I really feel sorry for the level of sunk-cost fallacy you've sunken to, all so your bazingamobile doesn't seem like a bad choice.
Imagine thinking there's wiggle room for a ton of major cosmetic problems on a product that costs a full year of an average worker's income.
Awesome? I can’t even find the odometer without going through 50 different menus. And the brain genius wants to implement a yoke instead of a steering wheel. Dumbasses spending money on the dumbest products
I want a pirate ship wheel.
What a silly thing to complain about. TWO touches to get total mileage. Boo-fucking-hoo.
Yoke is optional becaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuse people didn't want it. Wow, what a terrible move.
Real c/fuck_cars take there.
I'm sorry, there's no positive here on the yoke thing. Literally anybody who isn't a 14 year old who has never driven a car before should understand a yoke is a shitty, stupid thing to replace a wheel with. That mistake didn't require putting the shit on the market and then going "oh wow I guess this much worse thing isn't better after all, huh". Like, seriously, the dumbest motherfuckers must have been involved in that decision from start to finish.
I guess we'll just ignore the tons of positive feedback regarding the yoke out there. Oh well.
Then why did they discontinue it if it wasn't a stupid idea? Oh well.
I just want to go into the thing itself a little bit here... What vehicles do we see "yoke" style steering wheels on? Racing cars and karts. Why do we see yokes on those vehicles specifically? Extremely fast steering racks that will go lock-to-lock in a half or quarter turn, coupled with cockpits that either do not allow enough arm movement due to restraints or space to have more wheel movement. Are Teslas cramped inside with arm restraints because they're open-top racecars? Do they have racing racks that go lock to lock in a quarter turn? Are Teslas driven like a racecar, where both hands will always be on the wheel unless you're banging through gears? No.
It's a child's view of the world that spawned the idea of putting yokes in Teslas, because the child (Musk) saw racecars and was too ignorant to understand why they had yokes. Techbros and their consequences, etc.
"But I think its cool, so therefore you are incorrect!"
Yes, I do cry over bad car design choices.
Did you think they were agreeing with you bazinga boy? Lmao
Yeah; it’s very strange. The new online norm seems to be “don’t buy anything from a company if the primary person is a jerk.”
Meanwhile everyone online is buying stuff from jerks. They are just less vocal about it.
I REALLY don’t care to research every company I buy something from. Even if I know the primary person is a jerk, I still don’t care unless there is a near equal alternative.
Yes, nearly every product is made by assholes, rapists, abusers, and so on. The difference is that teslas are shit cars with a child in charge of design
The point here is that the main guy is like the biggest asshole, but the product itself is also ass while pretending not to be, likely fucking up the future “innovation” to be more fucking trash like this