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I think that religion/spirituality and socialism can coexist (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

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I hear a lot of people talk about how we need to look at religion from a materialist lens and that religion is incomparable with socialism. But I think we need to seperate the two. Religion is about the metaphysical so it's hard to look at it from a materialist lens. While politics deals with materialist matters, so it's necessary to view it with a materialist lens. And it's not like atheism is fully materialist either, with 'nothing after death', and 'universe starting without a god' being metaphysical explanations as well. And humans are naturally spiritual and to deny that, makes it harder for socialism to be accepted by people. But of course that doesn't mean we should tolerate the reactionary aspects of religion. We should combat it whenever necessary.

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[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I also don't believe that it has any bearing on politics. Thats my point. I believe spirituality and politics are two different domains.

[–] robot@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Religion does have massive bearing on politics though.

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I'm saying it doesn't have to be.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you try to name one religion that hasn’t influenced politics?

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The point is religion doesn't have to influence politics

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Suppose you’re genuinely a religious person without ulterior motives. If you believe at minimum that killing random citizens is wrong, shouldn’t you speak out against murder committed by your government? If you do, isn’t that getting into politics?

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My point is that politics should remain secular. But that doesn't mean that ideas inspired by religion aren't allowed in politics, as long as they're not reactionary and have secular argumentation.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

That’s a nice ideal. I certainly wouldn’t have any problems with religious comrades who think like that.

I would add that it needs to be in good faith. If a religious person were to argue against abortion, but proceed to oppose policies that make abortions a necessity, then you’re a hypocrite.