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I think that religion/spirituality and socialism can coexist (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

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I hear a lot of people talk about how we need to look at religion from a materialist lens and that religion is incomparable with socialism. But I think we need to seperate the two. Religion is about the metaphysical so it's hard to look at it from a materialist lens. While politics deals with materialist matters, so it's necessary to view it with a materialist lens. And it's not like atheism is fully materialist either, with 'nothing after death', and 'universe starting without a god' being metaphysical explanations as well. And humans are naturally spiritual and to deny that, makes it harder for socialism to be accepted by people. But of course that doesn't mean we should tolerate the reactionary aspects of religion. We should combat it whenever necessary.

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[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

something that we don’t understand yet

Are you saying your god is only as powerful as the gaps in human knowledge?

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not saying that, I don't believe in a god of the gaps. I'm just saying we don't know what's out there

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

we don’t know what’s out there

I’ve come to believe that it’s extremely unlikely that it’s the Christian god though, and that even if it were, it sounds like the abusive dictator that the West accuses North Korea of being.

As an aside, do you also think it’s equally likely to be every one of the other ~10,000 gods humans have invented?

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well I don't necessarily believe in a god, but if there's a god, it's probably a monotheistic god, which is what most religious people believe. The case for polytheistic gods existing, who are the majority of the gods in your argument is pretty weak

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it’s probably a monotheistic god

Are you a deist then? There’s no practical difference between that and atheism IMHO. What real difference does it make if it turned out a time-traveling Pokémon created the universe if it just relaxes on another planet and demands nothing of anyone or anything?

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're right, it doesn't make a difference in that case.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Here’s a quote attributed to Marcus Aurelius:

“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”