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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You’re free to do this in capitalism too. And you’ll do comparable amounts of backstabbing and conspiring and other shady shit to get to the top. The occasional relatively-uncorrupt person will luck their way to the top, and their personal biases will enable them to believe that it’s meritocratic too!

No, you're not free to do this under capitalism unless you happen to be born into at least some moderate wealth. If you're born poor then you're free to slave away at a minimum wage job or starve on the street. Social mobility in capitalist regimes is incredibly low.

Bezos doesn’t benefit directly either.

That's such a nonsensical argument that it doesn't even warrant addressing. Bezos literally launched himself into space through brutal exploitation of his workers.

“Public ownership” is a nonsense phrase.

It's not, and you really need to educate yourself on the subject you're attempting to debate if you think that.

Public ownership means that productive means of the country are directed towards common benefit. There's nothing ghostly about this. Work in USSR was done in order to build roads, housing, hospitals, schools, and so on. And as a direct result of that people of USSR had their needs met, which is not the case when means of production are privately owned.

Tell that to the people excluded from the universities with coffin problems. Or the five families hot-bunking in shitty brutalist apartment buildings how they were lucky to have housing.

I can only assume that you're not aware of the second world war that devastated USSR. After the war, people did have to live in communal housing because our cities were leveled. Once new housing was built everyone had their own housing. That's public ownership of the means of production in action for you.

Lots of things allow all different sorts of non-communist systems to provide everyone with food. It’s not that impressive in the 21st century to say “but they fed everyone”.

That's pretty big news to me given that homelessness is rampant in capitalist states. Even the richest country in the world can't seem to provide everyone with food and housing.

With enough vodka rations to make sure only 1 in 50 collected on it.

Just thinking about what kind of human garbage one has to be to write that sentence.

[–] DPUGT@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, you’re not free to do this under capitalism unless you happen to be born into at least some moderate wealth.

Define moderate wealth in a way that excludes a significant portion of the population. There are counter-examples all the way down.

I can only assume that you’re not aware of the second world war that devastated USSR.

Devastated all of Europe, or so I'm told. And yet things weren't even a tenth as bad elsewhere. And that only obviates the housing issue... the coffin problems issue was completely about keeping some out of universities where they simply were not welcome. Education for some, factory work for others... like everywhere else. (Hell, even in the US you wouldn't be kept out of university if simply by being jewish alone, the way that it was in the Soviet Union).

That’s pretty big news to me given that homelessness is rampant in capitalist states.

It's pretty big news to you that the homeless aren't starving? Or do you often run around confusing food with housing?

Just thinking about what kind of human garbage one has to be to write that sentence.

Compared to the sort of human garbage that implemented it as policy for decades? Or do you mean that I'm politically inconvenient because I recognize it as such?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Define moderate wealth in a way that excludes a significant portion of the population. There are counter-examples all the way down.

Here's an actual study for you with some numbers https://www.huffpost.com/entry/too-often-student-success_b_10132886

Devastated all of Europe, or so I’m told.

US invested billions into rebuilding Europe while dragging USSR into Cold War. You're showing amazing amounts of historical illiteracy here.

It’s pretty big news to you that the homeless aren’t starving? Or do you often run around confusing food with housing?

Literally linked you an article showing that 30 million people in US are food insecure.

Compared to the sort of human garbage that implemented it as policy for decades? Or do you mean that I’m politically inconvenient because I recognize it as such?

You certainly do strike me as precisely the kind of person who would interpret it as such.