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The only party responsible for the war is Russia. If you invade another sovereign state with the express intention of toppling their government and installing your own, war is what you're going to get.
You speak like NATO wasn't arming the country to the teeth after their coup, and they weren't killing people in Donbass...
The article is garbage, becuase it assumes NATO acts as a cohesive unit beyond being a defensive alliance with a required (and barely enforced) 2% GDP expenditure. NATO as a whole will never send troops to Ukraine - the US and some of its allies MIGHT send aid beyond sending military supplies, but member states are never required to send aid outside of article 5 invasion triggers. Members are never kicked out or penalized in the alliance if they choose to not participate in the US's forever wars.
NATO did nothing in Donbass. It was Ukraine and a Russia backed seperatist movement making a series of cease fires, both sides ignoring them over and over, and way too many lives tragically lost. Donbass is not Russian or NATO territory.
Yes there was an very harsh coup. Yes the following election was controversial. But the brutal world is Russia had zero reason to care outside of either US style "global cop" warmongering, or extreme paranoia with Ukraine maybe someday joining a defensive alliance. Ukraine is a sovereign nation, and their shitshow should have been their own.
If Russia truely cared about the Crimean people, instead of annexing them for empire building, they'd have opened their borders to Ukrainian migrants and refugees. They chose to invade.
This isn't a war between "NATO and Russia", this is a war between Ukraine and a Russia that is either Warmongering in a sovereign nation to empire build, or a Russia that is Isreal levels of paranoid.
This is a proxy war. I don't support the invasion, but I don't want to pay taxes to support a corrupt regime and nazi fanatics like the Azov Batallion, and hardcore nationalists. When I said "they" I meant the Ukrainian army, which was killing their own citizens in Donbass.
Yeah, the US defense department is salviating at sending supplies to Ukraine and funding an extremely cheap proxy war with Russia.
I agree with you that Ukraine isn't "a perfect country of sunflowers" like a lot of news orgs seemingly claim. The Donbass border situation is a massive shitshow of corruption and incompetence. I don't like my taxes going towards sketchy corrupt regimes either.
Russia isn't blameless either. They still performed their own proxy war with Ukraine by funding seperatist rebels in donbass, and they still invaded a sovereign nation US "global cop" style. I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't critisize Russia for the same type of behavior the US did in Afganistan and Iraq.
Go check for yourself the numbers of deaths in 2021 as a result of the occupation of the Donbass.
And it is not the clevage or the miniskirt that makes the rapist.
You say only one side kills people?
What I'm saying is that a lot more civilians are dead as a result of this 2nd invasion of February 2022.
So Russia's 1000th argument of the miriad they propagate, the argument that they invaded (further) in 2022 to prevent civilian deaths is obnouxiously hipocritical in face of all the civilians death they directly caused in mere weeks, in Ukraine, including in a small place like Bucha.
I agree with you that this is a war that the Ukranians did not want. This war was brought upon them, on their home by Russian invaders.