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[–] soul4rent@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The article is garbage, becuase it assumes NATO acts as a cohesive unit beyond being a defensive alliance with a required (and barely enforced) 2% GDP expenditure. NATO as a whole will never send troops to Ukraine - the US and some of its allies MIGHT send aid beyond sending military supplies, but member states are never required to send aid outside of article 5 invasion triggers. Members are never kicked out or penalized in the alliance if they choose to not participate in the US's forever wars.

NATO did nothing in Donbass. It was Ukraine and a Russia backed seperatist movement making a series of cease fires, both sides ignoring them over and over, and way too many lives tragically lost. Donbass is not Russian or NATO territory.

Yes there was an very harsh coup. Yes the following election was controversial. But the brutal world is Russia had zero reason to care outside of either US style "global cop" warmongering, or extreme paranoia with Ukraine maybe someday joining a defensive alliance. Ukraine is a sovereign nation, and their shitshow should have been their own.

If Russia truely cared about the Crimean people, instead of annexing them for empire building, they'd have opened their borders to Ukrainian migrants and refugees. They chose to invade.

This isn't a war between "NATO and Russia", this is a war between Ukraine and a Russia that is either Warmongering in a sovereign nation to empire build, or a Russia that is Isreal levels of paranoid.

[–] jorgesumle 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is a proxy war. I don't support the invasion, but I don't want to pay taxes to support a corrupt regime and nazi fanatics like the Azov Batallion, and hardcore nationalists. When I said "they" I meant the Ukrainian army, which was killing their own citizens in Donbass.

[–] soul4rent@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, the US defense department is salviating at sending supplies to Ukraine and funding an extremely cheap proxy war with Russia.

I agree with you that Ukraine isn't "a perfect country of sunflowers" like a lot of news orgs seemingly claim. The Donbass border situation is a massive shitshow of corruption and incompetence. I don't like my taxes going towards sketchy corrupt regimes either.

Russia isn't blameless either. They still performed their own proxy war with Ukraine by funding seperatist rebels in donbass, and they still invaded a sovereign nation US "global cop" style. I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't critisize Russia for the same type of behavior the US did in Afganistan and Iraq.