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My brother, who's a social democrat, claims that social democracy is not capitalism (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

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This dude has a political science major... I tried telling him that in social democracy the workers don't own the means of production so it's still capitalism, but he doesn't listen. I remember went he stopped supporting my country's (Netherlands) neoliberal party (D66) and started supporting PvdA, our socialdemocratic party. I was hopeful that he was slowly turning to the left, but nothing's changed. What are some arguments against socialdemocracy that a social democrat might listen to?

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[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago

I also blame a lack of marxist party for this. I was talking to my mom yesterday and she asked me whether or not I will vote in november. I want to vote but I have honestly no idea what to vote. The most left option is GL/PvdA and they are socdems at best like you say.