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My brother, who's a social democrat, claims that social democracy is not capitalism (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

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This dude has a political science major... I tried telling him that in social democracy the workers don't own the means of production so it's still capitalism, but he doesn't listen. I remember went he stopped supporting my country's (Netherlands) neoliberal party (D66) and started supporting PvdA, our socialdemocratic party. I was hopeful that he was slowly turning to the left, but nothing's changed. What are some arguments against socialdemocracy that a social democrat might listen to?

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[–] Nioxic@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I dont think it HAS to be capitalistic.. but.. it is most of the time?

I live in denmark where our previous government was the social democratic party.

And the current government is them, plus some of the more.. centric leaning right parties.

Theyre all essentially the same .. lol :(

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I recommend you reading the first chapter of State and revolution by Lenin.

[–] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Social democracy went through major shifts in the last century that it no more relates to its (non-marxian) leftist roots. Contemporary socdem even promotes the Third Way, an effectively neoliberal movement.

I found this insightful article about the evolution of socdem.