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[–] aleph@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

The conflict did not begin in 2022 by Russia. The only way the West has managed to gain and hold support has been by deceptively misrepresenting the reality of the situation in order to rally everyone around a perceived Evil. They don't bother describing what the people in the actual territories that asked for Russian support want. They don't bother describing how Ukraine has bombed its own people. They don't bother to describe how, partially due to Ukraine's abuses, several regions voted to join Russia. They don't bother to describe how Russia was invited by those fighting for their homes and families against Ukraine.

It's laughable that you totally omit the fact that Russia illegally annexed the Crimea back in 2014 and started this whole mess. Ukraine didn't just decide to start bombing its own people willy-nilly - it's because they were fighting off a foreign invader.

Regardless of the fact that some people in that region are Russian-speakers and sympathetic to Russia, that doesn't give Russia the right to waltz into a sovereign nation and take control of a large region of it.

[–] adroidBalloon@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

no, but you see, they "wanted it”, so it’s totally cool!

/s

[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ukraine was bombing the Russian-majority Donbas region, he’s not referring to Russian Crimea, though they did cut off fresh water for Crimea after 2014s illegal annexation by Russia.

[–] aleph@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In Donbas, it was Russia-backed separatists rather than Russian troops, although it was all part of the wider incursion into Ukraine by Russia at that time.

[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] aleph@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Pro-Russian, Ukrainian paramilitaries who attacked and took over military bases and police stations, yes. What's your point?

[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 3 points 1 year ago

Do you say the same thing regarding the Kurdish separatists in Turkish Kurdistan?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s laughable that you totally omit the fact that Russia illegally annexed the Crimea back in 2014 and started this whole mess.

It very clearly started before that with Euromaidan

[–] aleph@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Kremlin still took it upon itself to invade and illegally seize Ukrainian land, though.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes, it did, but it's important to actually understand the context for why it happened in order to end the conflict.

Russia didn't just suddenly go crazy and randomly decide to restart the Tsar's empire.

[–] aleph@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I know that; I never said it did.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago

And I never said Russia's invasion was legal or even justified. Glad we understand eachother.