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Ukrainian fencer Olha Kharlan was awarded a place in the 2024 Paris Olympics by the IOC on Friday after she was disqualified at the world championships for refusing to shake the hand of her Russian opponent.

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[–] Dankry@lemmy.world 102 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Good, it’s the right thing to do. Russians shouldn’t even be allowed anywhere near international athletics until Putin is arrested and standing trial for war crimes at The Hague.

[–] Pisodeuorrior@kbin.social 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, everything else aside, not until they stop doping all their fucking athletes.

[–] Kinglink@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The idea is the majority of their athletes are proven to be clean. There are definitely a decent number who got caught, and more scrutiny should be on Russia athletes than any other (Though all should be fully tested), but I believe it exposed only a subset of the Russian team was caught. 70 percent of the Russians were allowed to compete under the Olympic Flag.

Do I think IOC caught everyone who was doping? Of course not. Do I think every Russian was doping? I find that equally hard to believe.

Then again the fact it was only a four year ban for a state sponsored scheme? WTF.. but it just show IOC is still just one of the worst governing bodies in sports.

[–] ProcurementCat@feddit.de 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The idea is the majority of their athletes are proven to be clean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_Russia#2010%E2%80%932014:_allegations_of_state-sponsored_doping_and_2014_ARD_documentary

No the idea is that all of their athletes are basically proven to be doping because it's a state-sponsored and even secret-service assisted national effort. If you are not partaking in the russian state sponsored program, you simply will not become a russian professional athlete, you will be barred and forbidden to compete. Even their doping tests cannot be considered meaningful in any way because they literally used the FSB to fake or swap out samples or the impersonate doping officials and fake the tests.

This is not athletes deciding for themselves to cheat. This is not doctors helping athletes to cheat. This is a country cheating on a large scale and only sending cheaters to compete.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's really sad.

East Germany was infamous for it too. After the wall fell, a lot of athletes found out they were infertile, developed bone diseases, developed cancers, some even changed sex. Roland Schmidt, a weight lifter, developed huge breasts. Shot putter Heidi Krug was forced to change sex.

Some of them knew they were doped. Others were doped against their will or even without them knowing. They took the vitamin pills the doctor gave them, that's all the knew. They were ofen literal children when it started, as young as 8.

[–] Kinglink@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Others were doped against their will or even without them knowing.

I've heard rumors about this, and I doubt it. Especially when there was an American athlete who claimed that's what happened to her...

But I'm sure it has happened over history and my god that must be heart breaking, the people you put your full trust into has betrayed that and both put you are risk, but destroyed your credibility when found out. Fucking heart breaking.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’ve heard rumors about this, and I doubt it. Especially when there was an American athlete who claimed that’s what happened to her…

East Germany was an authoritarian state with state controlled media and propaganda. They experimented on children for ideological and propaganda reasons. It's hardly surprising they'd lie to test subjects, when the programme was clandestine. The stasi files, and related court cases/verdicts, indicate as much. Those responsible invariably defended themselves, by saying it was legal and/or that they were forced to do it by the state.

Why would they tell guinea pigs the truth when they could lie? The DDR lied to its people on a daily basis. There were no consequences.

In an authoritarian state you are robbed of the freedom not to do things AND to think things. People were sentenced to years in jail for telling relatively mild political jokes or questioning the offical government line.

Hell, that's how the DDR made money. They'd arrest people, then West Germany would pay 40,000DM and they'd be sent to West Germany. Quite profitable.

Of course, there are likely athletes who did know they were being doped. They got away with cheating, won a medal, and get to pretend it was won fairly, despite many of East Germany's records not being broken to this day.

[–] Kinglink@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

So if I pointed a gun at you and told you to rob someone with a fake gun... I hope you'd agree I should be in trouble not yourself. So if your correct (and you are) and these athletes were forced to by their government to use performance enhancing drugs (or not be part of the programs) why are you blaming the athletes instead of the government that forced them to do so?