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Is a full on collapse or civil war realistic in the near future for the US? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml to c/genzedong@lemmygrad.ml

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I’ve listened to the Poor Proles Almanac and they’re basically left-unity (anarchist) preppers. Their information is probably useful either way, though. I just started listening to It Could Happen Here, and the first episode is pretty cringe. Robert Evans is anti-Assad and thinks a Syrian civil war type scenario could happen here. He praises maidan coup fascist protesters (without mentioning their fascism or US backing). And of course, he thinks a collapse could be soon in 2019 and a lot of crazy stuff has happened since, but no civil war. I’ll keep listening critically to see if he has anything decent to say, but not looking good. As the empire crumbles and climate change gets worse is a collapse scenario realistic?

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[–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think poor proles is neat.

I think a "collapse scenario" is quite probable, but I think some specific dominos would need to tip in order for it to happen. No real clue when that could happen.

I think any of the huge climate-related weather issues we've seen almost had the potential to develop into huge long-term infrastructure issues with massive loss of life, specifically:

NW heat dome in 2021.
Texas ice storm power failures in 2021.
Various California forest fires.
Various gulf hurricanes.

The U$ doesn't have the ability to handle something to the level of Hurricane Katrina at this point, and much worse is more probable with climate change.

I also think a few things could trigger it as well, like:

Engaging in or losing a peer conflict - the internal political will just isn't there.
Full de-dollarization - the U$ is a parasite economy, and needs to be propped up.

I don't think it would take much. The U$ population is insanely stressed and wound tight, and beginning to lose the benefits they saw from being part of the empire. The capitalists basically can't allow any meaningful changes to the material conditions of people who need it here.

No real clue as to when. I've got 2025 on my dream board.

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree with this assessment. I don’t think any of the anarchists talk about empire or dedollarization. I also think it’s telling Robert Evans never talks about intelligence whether in OKC or the Arab spring (I doubt he’s even heard of PatCon). As the saying goes, there will never be a coup in the US because there are no US embassies there. Of course I already know how he works for bellingcat and works to divide whatever “left” we have here (anti-tankie rhetoric). He seems to think there will be fascist terrorism alongside an Occupy Wall Street type movement.

[–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah, Robert Evans is pretty suspect. I remember liking the initial "It Could Happen Here", though.

There's some interesting bits to it, but it's basically speculative fiction.

I wouldn't be surprised if do we see some armed clashes between the full-fash types and the colonized people they're trying to terrorize.