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Levelling up secretary calls for scrutiny of green policy but says ban on sale of new petrol and diesel cars is ‘immovable’

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[–] 47_alpha_tango@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (21 children)

On the one hand pushing for net zero is going to cost people a lot of money at a time when nobody can afford it.

But on the other hand it protects the environment which is handy because we’ll all be sleeping in it the way things are going with the economy.

Buying a used car is going to cost more than buying new one after 2030 because most people simply don’t want electric cars.

[–] snacks@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (16 children)

There’s a difference between wanting an EV and affording one. Most people won’t mind an EV but they are not £5k. What you’ll find is the 2nd hand EV market will also be mature, plus they last hundreds of thousands of miles more than a petrol car ever will. In 2030 they will be cheaper 1st and 2nd hand, so you can pay more for an old petrol if you like. My bet is, the cost will win out and people will just buy an EV.

[–] Ogoshi@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If they last longer then surely there won't be much of a used market for electric cars in 2030?

[–] snacks@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

at the moment you can get a decent EV for under £10k. The people buying new and selling on used will still exist, they havnt vanished. ill tell you what will be expensive: Petrol. As demand drops there will be less petrol stations and they wont be able to justify the ludicrous subsidies.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which models should I be looking at for this kind of price?

[–] snacks@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Earlier models like the Zoe, the e-golf, there’s a few. The tech has moved on a lot even in the last two years, so you’ll be getting city car runabouts rather than a giant volvo diesel equivalent. If you do under 10k miles a year those will be totally fine

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah but what I'd really need it for is my day job, which takes me to random addresses sometimes I'm gonna do 2/3 in a day which can be far apart. I was looking at the older electric berlingos but they're still pricy and the range doesn't cut it unless you go for the latest ones and then it's far out of my price range. That's why I'm currently driving a 2003 Kangoo for that and we have a hybrid Lexus ct200h as the family car/my wife.

[–] abrasiveteapot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You really think people will stop trading in their cars after 3 years to get the latest model ? I sincerely doubt it. Rolling over the lease is built into the finance model (it's not financially smart but that's a different discussion).

[–] Ogoshi@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No I don't doubt that at all. I just don't think we're going to have used car forecourts packed solid with EV's in 7 years time, let alone them also being affordable to the masses.

EV Percentage of total vehicles sales has been rising each year for the past 10 years. Exact number varies country to country but for most western countries it is now between 10 and 20% of sales per annum (obviously 100% in Norway).

Vehicle fleet turns over about every 15 years in Western nations (give or take depending on country) i.e around 90-95% of cars are less than 15 years old (there will always be very old collectors cars, but that's an entirely different ball game).

So in 7 years time unless EV sales suddenly plummet, at the very least 20% of used cars sales will be EVs. However EV cars are tracking perfectly to S curve of new technology take up (very small number to start then it explodes). So there is every reason to suspect that today's 20% of sales will be significantly higher. In fact it is expected that they will be the vast majority of new sales in most western countries, particularly those like the UK who are banning ICE sales from 2030.

There will therefore be a reasonably large number of second hand EVs, an even larger number of hybrid PHEVs (as a lot of those have been sold over the past 5 years) and there will be an even larger number of very very low cost ICE vehicles as people exit the technology.

People will buy what makes sense for them.

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