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[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

*calling meat, cheese, and bread healthy*

wow that food pyramid propaganda really did a number on you all didnt it

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It seems odd putting meat in the same category as bread.

In terms of pure health, there's not much out there better than most meats. Yes, beef is a bit lower than pork and chicken, but properly portioned (looking at most of us Americans) it has very few downsides.

Bread on the other hand can be one of the worst foods we can eat. Of course, it is still all about moderation.

EDIT: Why the reddit-like downvotes folks? There's really no cohesive argument that puts meat below bread healthwise in most situations. If you want to avoid meat, avoid meat. If you want to be morally opposed to anyone eating meat, so be it. Facts are still facts and misinformation isn't the right way to fight that battle.

[–] gummybootpiloot@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Bread can be healthy, just make sure it's wholegrain. Read meat is acosiates with bad health outcomes..

But yeah nobody is going to put a wholegrain bun on their hamburger.

[–] Daisyifyoudo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But yeah nobody is going to put a wholegrain bun on their hamburger.

Uhh. Why not? Whole Grain comes in all shapes and sizes now. Hell, most higher end restaurants use whole grain buns. Not sure why you would conclude that?

[–] gummybootpiloot@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This makes me think you've never had a 100% wholegrain bread

[–] Daisyifyoudo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you live somewhere in the world where it's hard to get? I rarely eat bread, but when I do buy from the store it's always 100% wholegrain. I just bought some a few weeks ago and there were plenty of different choices on the shelf.

[–] gummybootpiloot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No wholegrain is easy to get. Just nog as burger buns in a restaurant. I wasn't talking about bread in a supermarket

[–] willeypete23@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

Your "source" is one doctor speaking out against and entire study where the researchers found "low" evidence that either red meat or processed meat is harmful. That's not low health risks, or low percentage of affected individuals, but low evidence that here are any risks at all.

[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

But yeah nobody is going to put a wholegrain bun on their hamburger.

yeah people do its not uncommon here

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, bread can be healthy. The right one in moderation. The same as red meat (per your reference), actually :).

But 80/20 extra-fattened with liver for a delicious burger? Definitely not healthy (but like a candy bar, it's ok to have one every months or two)

[–] swordsmanluke@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

The doctor in your link says processed meat is likely bad all around, presumably due to additives, but that red meat in lower amounts (specifically, he says "2-3 times a week" and to use red meat as a side, instead of a main) is actually associated with lower health risks.

[–] RobbieGM@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Bread can be one of the worst foods we can eat

Why?

[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, they sure have necessary nutrients

[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i love the greatest source of carcinogens in an average diet 🤤🤤

[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everything is a fucking carcinogen, get over it and eat an actually balanced diet with exercise

[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago

nah meat and dairy is kinda gross