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[–] SloppilyFloss@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

the bourgeois are merely the upper middle class.

No...the bourgeoisie are those who hold control of the means of production, it has nothing to do with the amount of wealth one has, and everything to do with one's relationship or perceived relationship to the means of production (PMCs or the labor aristocracy).

The system we have now is a mixed economy (fascism for the wealthiest, capitalism for the middle classes, and socialism for the poor classes).

Sorry, but this is politically illiterate. This completely misunderstands every one of these politico-economic systems. Where did you get this idea from?

Capitalism is merely allowing anyone to own capital - be that a home, the building they operate a business in, their own farm land, investment properties.

Capitalism allows for anyone to own and accrue private property, but the existence of private property necessitates the existence of people without private property, as Marx analyzed.

You are horrified at our intending to do away with private property. But in your existing society, private property is already done away with for nine-tenths of the population; its existence for the few is solely due to its non-existence in the hands of those nine-tenths. - Marx in the Communist Manifesto

Allowing anyone to own capital will always lead to this "squeezing out" that you mention, it's how capitalism operates, even if it's against your principles of HOW it should operate.

But, classes? There will always be classes. As long as there is a free flow between the classes, that is fine with me.

The return of Kautskyism and the rejection of the class struggle. Please read Lenin's State and Revolution to see why this was bad 100+ years ago and remains bad now.

[–] GenkiFeral@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago (1 children)

i've been around people of all walks of life and find most of human nature -regardless of race, sex, religion, politics, class- to be outright scary and disgusting. Changing classes won't change that. If certain people today (not 100 years ago) don't own anything, it isn't my fault or my problem. My own kin from 300+ years seem to have gone up and down in class repeatedly- one would be dirt poor (the newspaper called my great-great-father a pauper in his obituary) and another would be much wealthier - even though his 3 older brothers were not as wealthy. One might be called founder and town leader, yet his grandkid was the pauper and other kin trapped wolves for their skins (not well off). Same family, but proves that not even close kin have the same mindset.

I HATE communism. it is idealistic, negates reality, whines when it should be working or thinking. Making excuses gets you nowhere. btw, Marx is long dead and lived in another land in another generation.

[–] poVoq@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 years ago

Here we have a prime example of a "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" ;)