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Trump causes confusion by sharing meme calling Jan 6 a ‘government staged riot’ even though he was in power
(www.independent.co.uk)
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Well, keep in mind how much footage there was of the capitol police letting "rioters" in and escorting them throughout the building as if they were on tour. I remember reading that there were opportunities to shore up the area out of concern there would be riots, since it was fairly obvious that there was going to be discontent, but the democrats declined.
I will make the standard disavowal that the riots shouldn't have happened, and those involved should be charged and prosecuted accordingly. But Trump very specifically said to protest peacefully during his speech that day.
My take on all of this has always been that the establishment hates Trump, sees him as a legitimate threat to their way of doing business, and have always exaggerated and highlighted anything they could to make him look like the most evil and incompetent person possible. I don't think you could neutrally look at all the evidence and think otherwise. I was a Democrat supporter before Trump came along. When I saw how united and unfair the portrayal of the man was by democrats and mass media, I realized the extent of corruption in the system, and more was slowly revealed over the next decade.
They want you to hate anyone who would upset the status quo. It's the same thing they did to Tulsi Gabbard. Anyone who is anti-war, pro-America, and is for populism and against globalism. Just watch for yourself. These people get fat off of selling Americans out to foreign interests and by feeding the war machine. They can't do that if we stop playing world police and start focusing on initiatives that improve the value of local labor. It requires us to rip up free trade deals and to stop funding military and PMCs, where a lot of elites make big money. That's why populists get shut out.
Jan 6 was a handful of people doing something stupid. They've turned it into a giant cross to lay on the entire moderate and conservative voter base. If you think that's reasonable, you're being tribal, not rational.
You're amazingly uninformed.
"But Trump very specifically said to protest peacefully during his speech that day."
No, he told them they have to "fight like hell" and sent them to the capitol. The speech was on national television. Wake the hell up.
ROFL imagine thinking the establishment hates Trump. Trump family is OLD OLD OLD MONEY, they are part of the establishment, kiddie-fucking Epstein clients and all.
The fact that he convinced you he was anti-establishment just shows that he's a decent con man. I can't think of one fucking scrap of evidence that's he's anti-establishment, and he sure did pass those tax cuts for the rich and run that money printer while in office (even in 2019, pre-pandemic), and he sure did let those Jan 6 people rot in jail.
So if you're STILL thinking he's anti-establishment I have a bridge to sell you.
Trump may be rich, but he's also a fucking idiot, and a populist. Those are terrible for business. He desperately wants to be 'the establishment', but he's not.
The tax cuts (and the attempt at repealing Obamacare) were part of the trade he made with the Republican party, and Paul Ryan in particular, in exchange for their support.
Uhhuh and did he have to run the money printer to get their support too? Nah? I guess we'll ignore that one (and the Epstein jab) because the repubs can't blame anyone else for those.
I have no idea what people think a 'populist' is anymore. If you mean 'he tries to appeal to the working man' then most politicians do, and in fact the entire GOP platform is blaming the government for things (while running the government).
If you mean he 'blames the elites while being part of it' then, duh, so do many people including Tucker Carlson have been doing for that for decades. Does that make them populists or con men?
In studies, the predicting factor for Trump voters was authoritarianism. Seems ironic somehow.
Are you under the impression that I'm a Republican, much less a Trump supporter? I'm not trying to defend Trump, I loathe him and I sincerely hope he goes to jail for the January 6th riot, because that set an extremely dangerous precedent. At the same time, facts are facts.
The money printer kicked in specifically due to COVID. Before that Trump gave some big tax breaks to corporations, as well as an offshore-tax amnesty. You can definitely be mad at him for that, but it wasn't paid for with newly-minted money.
If Trump is shown to have abused minors with Epstein, that's another very good reason to put him in jail. But Epstein did his best to rub shoulders with the rich & famous, and pedophilia is not an airborne disease, so the fact that some rich or famous person is associated with him in some way is not sufficient proof to me that they're a pedophile. If somebody in my neighborhood was convicted as a pedophile, I wouldn't immediately assume that everybody who ever hitched a ride with him or went to see the superbowl at his place was also a pedophile.
I would agree that 'populist' pretty much means 'con-man'. It's somebody who basically says: Everything that's wrong with the world, and your life specifically, is somebody else's fault! You people are great, you're the real salt of the earth, keep doing exactly what you're doing! Vote for me and I'll make things better for you and worse for everybody you don't like! Anybody who suggests there's more nuance to the situation is your enemy!
Tucker Carlson is 100% a populist.
The mainstream Republican party of the post-Bush years was never really populist, because they kinda loathed their own voters too much for that. They'd pander, but their heart wasn't in it. The big schism in the party today is basically between the new populists and the old elitists...which is pretty much the state of the Democratic party as well.
We mostly agree, I just need to push back against the assertion that trump started money printing post covid.
He started loudly blaming the FED and calling for money printing in August 2019, well before COVID
He wanted a juiced economy for the election year, nothing else
No you were not, astroturfing sockpuppet.
Eh, me too. And check my account if you think I'm an astroturf.
There were a lot of Democrats who switched after seeing what the DMC did to Bernie Sanders. I will personally never vote for the Democrats going forward.
How do you go from voting for Sanders to voting for Trump? They don't agree on pretty much anything!
I thought everyone gave up trying push the #walkaway bullshit years ago when they realized no one was buying it.
"I literally cannot fathom someone having a different view from me"
I hate to say it, but it did happen, now I was pissed at what the dmc did to Bernie too, but I could of never brought myself to vote for trump, but also I couldn't bring myself to vote for Hillary after that, so I abstained during the general, looking back I wish I hadn't and I had just voted for Hillary, although I doubt it would of done anything because I'm pretty sure Hillary won in my area anyway.
Nope I literally can't fathom that anyone who supported Bernie Sanders' policies would throw away everything they believe and vote for literally the complete opposite.
Or maybe this isn't astroturfing and you're just a fucking idiot.
There weren't any other candidates who I believed could uphold his policies. Furthermore, I have no faith that any candidate supported by the DNC would support his policies, so I'm not going to waste my vote on it
Different views I get. Monumentally stupid ones I do have trouble with though. I also generally tend to doubt flat earthers and the "birds aren't real" folks are serious if that helps as a benchmark.
The "birds aren't real" thing has always been a joke. Not like flat earthers.
Flat earth was a joke at first too.
LIES! When the final flight of the drones come you will be sorry.
Being angry over how the DNC handled the 2016 primaries, having been in favor of Sanders, is one thing; embracing the Republican party is quite another. The second does not reasonably follow from the first. Republican politics is in direct opposition to pretty much anything Bernie Sanders has ever said.
Yeah I knew a guy like this. I told him Sanders himself would slap him in the face if he could. FWIW I thinks theres plenty of evidence the DNC stole the primary from Sanders.
Voting for Trump to punish the DNC does not make strategic sense at all. The DNC establishment is rich and they benefitted from his tax breaks. The GOP accomplished destroying SCOTUS, abortion rights, and damn near NATO itself.
Does the DNC get hurt from that? Nah. It was always a childish, emotional decision to vote for Trump to punish the DNC for its primary. The way you punish them is by building ranked choice voting your goddamn self and many states have - but that doesn't provide instant, self-righteous gratification for very little effort like voting for Trump did.
Yeah, all the free advertising sure was diabolical.
I imagine that's why he wanted to end democracy as an institution in the US: because of how unfairly he was treated! It makes total sense when you put it that way!
It really it everyone else's fault that he attempted a fascist coup. Thanks for explaining it!
I don't think a billionaire "coastal elite" could ever be described as an outsider or not part of the establishment.
You remember reading...lies. You just reinforced the well known stereotype that conservatives love to be lied to. Qtards, Pizzatards, Birthertards, Sandyhooktards, Start the Steal tards, etc, and now you, all prove the stereotype.
My take on all this is that Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump and the rest of the billionaire elites tricked you and into giving them another gigantic GOP tax cut. Yet Again.
Then why did you vote for the person that Bernie Sanders said over and over is "the most corrupt president in American history".
https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders/photos/a.324119347643076/2791833347538318/?type=3
[Sanders: Donald Trump is the most corrupt president in history and he must be held accountable.]
You voted FOR the most corrupt president in American history. You voted FOR giving a huge mountain of money to the billionaire elites and establishment. You voted FOR anti-American neofascism.
To protest what? Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump pre-planned his Start the Steal Conspiracy before the election.
Reminder that Steve Bannon frankly confessed Trump's Start the Steal conspiracy plans to a group of Trump insiders before the election.
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/22/1112138665/jan-6-committee-hearing-transcript
…audio from Trump advisor, Steve Bannon, surfaced from October 31st, 2020, just a few days before the Presidential election.
Let’s listen. [Begin Videotape]
STEVE BANNON: And what Trump’s going to do is declare victory, right? He’s going to declare victory, but that doesn’t mean he’s a winner. He’s just gonna say he’s a winner. The Democrats — more of our people vote early that count. Theirs vote in mail. And so they’re going to have a natural disadvantage and Trump’s going to take advantage — that’s our strategy.
He’s gonna declare himself a winner. So when you wake up Wednesday morning, it’s going to be a firestorm. Also — also if Trump is — if Trump is losing by 10 or 11:00 at night, it’s going to be even crazier. Because he’s gonna sit right there and say they stole it. If Biden’s wining, Trump is going to do some crazy shit.
Finally. Someone calling those darned warmongering Democrats and praising the brave Republicans that tried so super duper hard to stand against the establishment. I salute you, brave keyboard warrior o7
I'm sure history will remember your bravery
My view of trump was shaped by the incredibly stupid and asinine things he says on his own on television with no prompting, not any sort of portrayal by the media.
We all saw the video. Quit lying for the Orange Turd Idol.
Man if your name isn't Dmitry or Boris and you're not getting paid by the troll farm, then this is just sad.
This couldn't be a more astroturfed comment if it tried. This reads like it came directly from the mouth of Steve Bannon.
Well said. I’m not exactly fan of Trump, but it’s abundantly clear the establishment hates him. Every news outlet and social media campaign paints him negatively no matter what he does. Kamala Harris said she would not take the Covid shot because at that point it was associated with Trump, and we all saw how that changed after they took the Presidency. Every person they show supporting him is portrayed as either a dumb hillbilly and a white supremacist. It’s cartoonish, and for the established circles of power to make such over-the-top propaganda is a dead giveaway more than anything else that they want him gone.
Could you imagine being anti-American enough to be parroting this narrative?
Yep. The establishment elites absolutely despises that $4.5 trillion GOP tax cut that they got from Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump. LMFAO!
Dude, the establishment elites tricked you into giving them ~~$4,500,000,000~~ $4,500,000,000,000. You knew that was going to happen. We knew that was going to happen. How idiotic can you get?
That's only 4.5 billion. In this instance they collectively scammed $4,500,000,000,000.
Anyone in their right mind wants him gone. It's not rocket science to see how inept and corrupt he is and has always been.