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It can't be on the users. The issue is that 2 communities can have different things going on, different rules, different events. The best way is to some how make hosting the same community across different instances by the same mods possible. Mirrored communities should be a goal, but tbh, it's just not a real issue like the scalability, general useability, and how the hot page is not a hot page, it's a rising page.
That is absolutely what you don't want.
Let's pretend you used to use Reddit. Let's say you wanted to talk/read news about the latest video games. Luckily "gaming" exists. It's a default subreddit (or it was at one point). That must be the best place to go.
Except... It wasn't really. Some folks thought they could do better and thus "games" was born. So now we have "gaming" and "games", two places to talk/read about video games.
Except... They weren't really. While those subs had nobel modding goals it wasn't long before they too had issues. No, only "truegaming" could really be the best community.
So now you have three communities, run by three different mod teams (or at least three different rule sets), "gaming", "games" and "truegaming". Which is the real community? Which is the best community? If you want to start a new community what word are you going to use? "RealGames"? "BestGaming"? "GamingGames"?
Look at this example. Android. I like the Android mods, but what if I didn't? Or what if I think I can do better? Should I make /c/Androids or /c/TrueAndroid?
The nice thing about the Fediverse is that we can all federate with one another but no one is overly in charge.
Like the former Reddit Android mod team? Go sub to them in their instance. Don't like the Android sub on this instance? Don't subscribe. Think the instance admins have made a horribly wrong decision? Move to a new instance. (For the record I'm fine with the decision they've all made.)
Unlike Reddit there isn't one big stupid CEO in charge. Instead there are a lot of small stupid admins in charge (and I do appreciate their work).
Now, as for solutions, yes discoverabilty for Lemmy should be improved. If I find one Android community it should be easy to find others, and not just communities named "Android", but anything related across the Fediverse.
This isn't all going to be solved in a day. Communities will fragment. Instances will fall over. New instances will rise. It's a little messy, but we'll figure it out.
no. decentralized communities die. no one wants to join the smaller communities, and if they do, they're either an outcast or a contrarian, neither of witch are productive to any community. unless the niche communities start to enable communities to centralize across instances, everyone will join 1 mega instance, and everything else will be left to die just like what happens with every social media format.
I don't see a problem with the example you presented. The three gaming-oriented communities you listed all have their own cultures that have essentially become tied with their branding, each with their own appeal. It would be more confusing to have three gaming communities all using the same name but with different approaches on how they manage their communities. At that point, you'll have to create a guide on which instances would have the type of community that aligns more with your preferences.
What you describe as the "issue" is the entire point of lemmy and decentralizing and all that.
once lemmy starts dictating "oh you have to change things in this community in this instance to match this instance" and "everything has to follow one master set of rules" they become reddit.
honestly the best way to solve your issue would just be multireddits, if you wanna see content from both communities just add it to a multilem or whatever they end up calling it.
Lemmy is a link aggregator. Decentralization is the opposite of how link aggregators work.
They are two different things.
It's like hangout spots. People congregate there. You can have a setup where everyone goes in to one place and from there they head to different rooms in that place and all rooms have their own rules and the place itself has its rules. If there's a single place, that's centralized. If there's a collection of those places each with their own set of rules and rooms, that's decentralized.
They each have their pros and cons (centralized makes it easier for people to find specific communities since they are all rooms in the same place, but means that you're SOL if you don't like the way that place is run), but both systems allow people (or links) to congregate.
its an internet forum, not a bar. you're here to talk about specific topics, and when you don't have enough people to do anything more than post memes or tech articles on 20 subs total, there isn't a reason to divide any specific community.
Respectfully disagree. For example, !reddit@lemmy.world, !reddit@lemmy.ml, and !redditMigration@kbin.social are three communities on similar topic with different mod teams, and the culture of each community is a bit different from each other.
So, for big event like this one:
https://lemmy.world/post/1442053
You can access multiple posts across different instances on the same topic with one click using the crosspost links on Lemmy so it's no less convenient than one megathread, and each post will have different conversations from each other, so it's easier on the individual mod teams for the respective communities as well.
Whereas on reddit this would have been a huge monolithic megathread and would be very hard to manage without a huge mod team.
That's the advantage of decentralization.
The entire point of link aggregators like reddit and the threadiverse is to centralize discussion and curation. These sites lose utility if you have many different places for the exact same content.
Then I'm not quite sure why you would expect centralization on an explicitly decentralized network of forums on the Fediverse.
i expect centralization in the way communities work, not in the way instances work. if you want to host a link aggregator, you're building a platform to centralize discussion and content, if lemmy does not work towards that goal of uniting communities across instances, it will fail because no one wants to join 20 small communities to get the same information 20 times over in their feed. this is antithetical to the utility of a link aggregator forum like reddit or digg, and that's what lemmy is trying to be.
Then would you like to go ask the good people at lemdro.id to close their Apple community and centralize it over here please?
It doesn't make sense to me to do so, but if you want it, more power to you mate.
i don't think you understand what centalizing communities but not the instances means. the communities need to exist within lemmy, not within the instance. tieing communities to instances means for a given community there are dozens of copies, none of witch are integrated unless the users use a crossposting feature that no one understands and doesn't make any sense from a moderation standpoint. users and communities need to be unattached to an instance so they can become less isolated from the people who want to be apart of that community but use a specific instance for whatever reason.