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[–] joborun@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Now this is a wider issue, the Red Army did liberate the largest part of Europe from Nazi rule, the US basically tried to liberate France but the Red Army was in Germany before the US crossed the border. In Yalta the three, US/UK/USSR divided the pie, Spain and Greece went on the other half and remained fascist till the 70s (meaning anticapitalists were executed, prisoned, exiled, etc). Yugoslavia went its own way. The US UK handed Hung/CZ over to them, but unlike other places the USSR had to use force to take over what was given to them in the pe cutting.

This is not defense of tankie-ism it is pretty much what happened. Now between 90 and 2024 the 90/1 agreement was no Nato expansion beyond its current borders, and that was severely violated by NATO, to the last ring around the chain being Ukr and Belarus. So the not so red not so hot army anymore had to either react or accept total defeat and submission to NATO. There was no alternative for Russia other than to turn history back which in 30y proved impossible.

I am not passing judgement on which dictator is better, I hate Biden as much as the next guy, but the narrative of recent history appears to have left out all petitions to the UN filed by Russia for the violation of the agreement. The UN's excuse, NATO is not a UN member, and you can't blame any particular state member of NATO for what NATO does. Unfortunately a state (Russia) which wasn't part of the Yalta agreement the SU was, signed an agreement with NATO, not with any particular country. They should have had a better lawyer and not a drunk for a president.

So Russia will evolve to yet another oil-rich country that is blockaded and cut-off from world markets like Iran and Venezuela. Unlike Iranians and Venzuelans Russians get really nasty when they get pissed, hungry, or out of vodka. So this is not going to go well too far too long. We shall see. Oil production and distribution, held by a handful of US based multinationals, will increase their profits in a further restricted oil market. So Iran, Russia, and Venezuela's isolation does serve a profitable industry's interests.

[–] ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud 6 points 1 year ago

And nothing else you said about this supposed memory hole of UN claims makes sense.

"The UN’s excuse, NATO is not a UN member"

Wouldn't Russia, a permanent member of the UNSC since its inception, know how the UN works and that NATO is not a UN member?

"a state (Russia) which wasn’t part of the Yalta agreement the SU"

Didn't Russia inherit all treaty agreements of the USSR? I'm pretty sure they did.

The problem isn't the UN covering up petitions, the problem is the agreement never existed.

[–] ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud 4 points 1 year ago

Regarding the "90/1 agreement".... maybe not.

Was there a signed treaty to that effect?

https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article/40/4/7/12126/Deal-or-No-Deal-The-End-of-the-Cold-War-and-the-U

Even if we accept that such a deal existed, in what way would invading legally neutral countries (uh, again) be an appropriate response to its violation? State aren't forced to join NATO, in fact, it's pretty difficult unless NATO wants you in.

So Russia should have instead invited countries to join CSTO to offset NATO.

Unfortunately Russia can't compete, so it has to use force.