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[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I don’t fault the Finns for using help from the nazies

Stopped reading. Fuck off nazi. Not only did Finland take part in the holocaust by exterminating the Roma living in Finland (or forcing them to fight in the nazi suicide squads), but Estonia also handed over Jews to the Gestapo.

If anti-communists could stop admitting that they admire the nazis within 2 or 3 comments of starting their anti-communism you might actually be dangerous and effective at spreading your bullshit but you can never fucking help yourselves.

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Not only did Finland take part in the holocaust by exterminating the Roma living in Finland (or forcing them to fight in the nazi suicide squads), but Estonia also handed over Jews to the Gestapo.

Aside from that, officials confirmed a few years ago that the Finnish Waffen‐SS participated directly in Axis atrocities. While I personally wouldn’t classify 1940s Finland as a fascist state, I understand those who do and the politics that it adopted compel me to classify it as parafascist. An example from Finland’s Holocaust:

Before taking up positions of artistic and institutional leadership in Finland, [Arvi] Kivimaa had already been an established poet, essayist, and writer. […] The views Kivimaa absorbs into Eurooppalainen veljeskunta align with those expressed in a range of German‐language books sustained by the Finnish state—many written by academics who, like Kivimaa, resumed distinguished institutional careers after the war—identifying Finland within the rhetoric of Third Reich racial and expansionist ideologies for consumption by readers of both German and Finnish.

From Finland in World War II:

The widespread Finnish animosity towards the Russians was also more or less explicitly present in the studies on Greater Finland and the occupation of Eastern Karelia. In 1986 Heikki Luostarinen’s doctoral dissertation on the enemy image of Russians and the Soviet Union in the Finnish conservative and rightwing press during the Continuation War focused on the issue in detail and showed the deep racial hatred in the wartime media and mentality.

There is a lot more to be said about Finland, but to keep things short it is a gross oversimplification to summarise its alliance with the Third Reich as only ‘picking the lesser evil’.

Now, no offence, but I think that you’d be happier or healthier doing something else with your time than trying to reason with anticommunists, seeing as how they can just make up whatever stuff that they want while instantly throwing actual research into the trashcan. Are you sure that you don’t want to try something else? Exercising? Juggling? Reading more books? Even playing drunk lawn darts would be better.

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Aside from that, officials confirmed a few years ago that the Finnish Waffen‐SS participated directly in Axis atrocities. While I personally wouldn’t classify 1940s Finland as a fascist state, I understand those who do and the politics that it adopted compel me to classify it as parafascist. An example from Finland’s Holocaust:

This is new to me. I appreciate you bringing it to my attention.

Now, no offence, but I think that you’d be happier or healthier doing something else with your time than trying to reason with anticommunists, seeing as how they can just make up whatever stuff that they want while instantly throwing actual research into the trashcan. Are you sure that you don’t want to try something else? Exercising? Juggling? Reading more books? Even playing drunk lawn darts would be better.

I've been doing this for years. This username was banned on reddit 3+ years ago and liberals there still mention it. I will haunt them forever. I do like your "reading more books" suggestion though, and the implication you know I read already. I'm currently reading Losurdo.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Now, no offence, but I think that you’d be happier or healthier doing something else with your time than trying to reason with anticommunists, seeing as how they can just make up whatever stuff that they want while instantly throwing actual research into the trashcan.

Think about all the other people reading these comments with more than a few braincells. When you argue in a public forum like this you're not just arguing with one person you're also helping open other peoples eyes who may stumble across this thread in the future. Thats why I say keep up the arguments even if the other party is doing so in bad faith.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah yes, perfectly ok to defend the soviets committing a genocide, but the moment a country accepts help from nazies against soviet genocide they become nazies. Weird it doesn't bother you that soviets allied with the nazies and split Europe amongst one another in their treaty. Obviously nazies are fucking despicable but so are soviets and both did genocides. Yea, you can go fuck yourself too red fashist.

[–] suction@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude, you’re arguing with a fascist-loving teenager. Talk about wasting time.

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

teenager

I'm late thirties actually.

fascist-loving

I'm begging you to ask some of the surviving jews that were freed from nazi death camps whether they think socialism is the same thing as fascism. They might kick your teeth out though.

[–] suction@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I’m late thirties actually.

Then it's just sad.

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No mate because, as I pointed out, they weren't fucking death camps and you're an idiot. You can not cite a single academic source saying that, because none exist.

This has now devolved into you making up genocides that the soviets did not perform in order to justify your support for the nazi genocide of roma performed by finland. Screaming "red fashist" at the end doesn't help.

I'm on the side of objectively good people like Che, Nelson Mandela and Albert Einstein. You're on the side of Hitler and Mengele you absolute tool.

I didn't even make you take the position of defending the nazis, you CHOSE to take this position without prompting.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You saying they are not does not make it so. Soviets were smarter than nazies and didn't keep records as I said so the only numbers are estimated but like the lowest death count you can find is 1.5 miljon but the highest I can find is 8 million. But since most sources agree: prisoners close to death were released and they either died on the way somewhere else or at their destination. The total guesstimates of the total population at their death camps ranges from 14 to 25 million. This also doesn't count the people deported to random villages in Siberia, never to be seen again or the famines they caused by either intentionally or by ridiculous incompetence.

Also note I was defending the Finns not nazies. You can imagine how bad the soviet regime was if nazies seem like a good alternative.

Sure, you're the perfect angel, defending soviet genocides and other atrocities.

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You can imagine how bad the soviet regime was if nazies seem like a good alternative.

I wonder if any of the jews that were freed by the soviets (all of them) would agree. Nah.

The total guesstimates of the total population at their death camps ranges from 14 to 25 million.

Lmao you're pulling figures from the black book of communism now which is widely regarded as a joke. Fucking hilarious.

I also genuinely do not give a fuck about any nazis they killed. Which you are definitely including in your camp deaths as a bad thing. You are literally going to bat for nazis that absolutely deserved execution.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol, the black book of communism has numbers like 100 million so no I wasn't. Did your brain break and you just revert to some npc talking points?

So now you are celebrating soviet atrocities, yea you definitely have the moral high ground here.

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm definitely celebrating the deaths of nazis. Yes.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are both denying and celebrating the victims of soviet gulags. I guess anyone who the soviets hate is a nazi to you and that would not really surprise me, I have talked to red fashists from the US before, you're the first from the UK though.

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm getting really bored now. Do you have anything worthwhile to add or just more bullshit?

[–] FluffyPotato@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not really. You want over most of the red fash talking point I usually get already. The only empty square on my bingo card is "read theory" but we never went over how authoritarian rule is against everything socialism and Marxism stand for. But yea, I have to rotate my phone just to be able to hit reply to this last one and that too much effort to do twice so I'm done too.

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why would I tell a person that defends the nazis to read theory? That's something socialists say to other leftists.