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Why is it you think that job seeking often requires lying on your resume?
I assume it's because they don't have a very good resume and won't get called/interviewed otherwise.
Because employers ask for years of experience and pay entry level wage, so if you're entry level you don't have access to the high paying jobs and only the lower paying job will keep you if they raise you don't have that much experience because who else are they going to hire?
Uh … yeah? How does this equal the system forcing you to lie?
It’s like of I put out an ice cream sundae and say it’s only to be taken by someone who can bench 400 lbs, and you lie about how much you can bench to get the ice cream sundae.
Did I force you to lie? Not at all. You lied because you wanted the ice cream sundae, not because I had a gun to your head.
A system where you can lie and get a higher paying job than you’re qualified for, isn’t a system that’s forcing you to lie.
Did you read what I just wrote or you skipped right to that part?
Entry level paying jobs are a no go because they ask for years of experience, better paying jobs are also a no go for the same reason (but in their case it's justified), what then? Well, you lie about your experience to land the option where they can't afford to fire you, i.e. the option that doesn't pay well so you don't have any competition.
Experience does not necessarily mean job experience. You can also apply for a job without meeting all of the criteria.
I never lied on my resume and I don’t plan to. That would be considered a huge social taboo in Germany.
When your choice is lying or not paying rent you do what you have to do.
You studied IT and all jobs require 5 years of professional experience in network management, what does someone who just got out of school do to acquire that experience?
As written above: These are not the only two options so this is a false dilemma. Professional experience does not necessarily mean full-time job experience. You can work while studying, or have side projects in a professional environment while studying that you can showcase (i.e. contributions to open source projects or personal pet projects). That's especially true for IT. As another option, you could also do internships and have a good chance to get hired this way. If you didn't do any of that you can still state that you don't have the required experience yet and apply either way - maybe you have other positives to compensate your lack of experience. Lying is not a requirement, at least where I live.
Reading all the other comments, I have a strong feeling that there is quite some cultural differences between what I'm assuming is the USA and my personal experiences.
I’ve been homeless and if my only choice is between lying and not paying rent, I’m not paying rent.
I’ve never run into that situation though. I don’t actually believe that there aren’t any jobs you can get without lying.
Unless maybe you’re in SF.