trakie

A couple things that I didn't make too clear that may help sort some of these things out:

• patent applications, provisional or not, are published (unless specifically filed to not be, but 95% of applications I looked at were published). But I didn't think inventors would search patent databases before inventing...
• Filing date is the easiest way to establish prior art date, not the only one. If two inventions are similar and filed close in time to each other they could show additional things to establish an earlier date. I forget the specifics but it regularly happened when I would use prior art within a year of the filing date to reject the application that the applicant would come back with notes from meetings or emails or other supporting documents to establish a new prior art date and invalidate my rejection, a product release would qualify, but it has to be before the filing date of the provisional or application where the infringed process is disclosed.

From the limited details I know about the case it looks like apple wanted to use the masimo process, even approached them but then backed out and apple didn't use a different enough process in their watches to avoid infringement.

That seems to me like apple doesn't have a prior art date before masimo for the process used since they approached masimo and the small sections of arguments I've seen from apple are focused on the length of time between application and patent and that at the time masimo was not making consumer devices. Both of which have little to nothing to do with infringement. If their arguments were about the difference in their process vs massimo, or notes or something detailing development before approaching masimo I would have a more favorable eye towards apple.

Again I might be missing something because I have not really read up on this except highlights from articles and a passing interest because of my old job. But was trying to provide some insight to the patent side of it.

I used to be a patent examiner and provisional applications were filed to secure a "prior art date" before everything is finalized, and when I was there had to be followed up within a year with a regular application and only the processes described in the provisional get the provisional date.

You could file a new application in addition to older ones to add processes but the new added stuff gets the new filing date while the already described stuff gets the older date.

And it regularly took 2-3 years for an application to become a patent, and that was a relatively quick one without much back and forth, our backlog to even first look at an application was 18months. I was working on applications that had been ongoing for 5+ years after first being picked up by an examiner. It's not important when the application became a patent, it's important when it was filed and what it contained.

I haven't looked at the specifics in this case (I really don't miss being an examiner), but patent filing date and prior art dates are complicated and of course apple is going to try and make it sound like they didn't infringe and masimo is going to try to make it sound like they did. Apple playing games with wording and product release dates is not really relevant. If apple developed the technology they can show their notes and get a prior art date before the masimo provisional application, because it didn't just show up in their watch the day it was released.

You think those are mutually exclusive? What's to stop a bot/bad actor with some money from buying "unused" handles?

I guess this isn't the worst idea he's had for twitter but it seems like a short term money grab while the ship is sinking. By his own valuation twitter is worth half what it was a year ago and still not profitable, selling usernames won't change that

I'd like a headphone jack because it interfaces with the handful of devices I have that also have one, some of which are not easily replaced - like my 10 year old car.

Comparing iOS to Linux is like saying cats and dogs are the same. Like sure maybe at a really high level in that they are both operating systems but similarities end there. The biggest and most glaring difference being open source vs. proprietary. Even android which is actually based on Linux is a far cry from typical Linux experience and leaves me wanting more freedom to tinker outside of the walled garden.