purplepuppy

Literarly from the first article: "There is some truth to this. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, 14 Eastern European countries have joined NATO, four of them bordering Russia. Ukraine requested the chance to join via NATO's Membership Action Plan in 2008, and the country's initiative to join has only intensified since Russia's invasion." In the rest of the article they don't debate about this being a reason for invasion, just claim that some Putin claims that are lies and exagarations (which of course they are, he is a politician). I will not spend time reading other articles since even the first one is clearly irrelevant and strawman, because some lies doesn't mean the whole motivation of fear from NATO is not true. Also there is no other reasonable motivation.

And third link is literarlly from NATO website, its like giving link to Kremlin offical website for arguments against NATO. In which one of the first things that I saw was a obvious lie that NATO is not agressive, which you would have to be living under a rock not to know what NATO states are doing in middle east and millions of civilians they kill.

So as I said, you are a clear NATO warmongering propagandist.

And what is your oppinin why they invaded Ukraine? Because they are naturally evil? Because they are stupid and thought they could just take it over without NATO helping them? I have no access to Russian media, it is not propaganda. It is common sense. There is absoultely no argument against it.

We need to stick togheter and get rid of both Putin and NATO

in the same post I critize Putin as a well and it is clear that it is not Russian propaganda. But it is classic of NATO propagada to claim that if you cirituqe their wars in middle east, you are a russian propagandist, even if you critique Russia as well. They of course do same thing in Russia, where they say anyone who critiques their government is CIA spy.

Being NATO warmongering propagandist and calling for more russians to be deinied assylum so that they have to fight in a war so you can kill them in the battlefielled and get another country into NATO is far more dangerous. It is clear, for anyone following wars around the World, that NATO is the most warmongering power that has control over the majarotiy of the World. And if Russian government didn't own nukes, thay would be inavded by now as well and there would only be one central goverment for the entire World, run by US.

Again Russian goverment is just as bad in intentions, but their power is far less threatning that what NATO is doing. I fear that even if this war in Ukraine stops, even more wars get started by NATO around the World and this planet is forever trapped in a constant state of warfare.

It really can't be interputed as anything else on the article about closing borders to russians fleeing the war.

Are you really comparing Jan 6 to fight against Putin? Do you know that leader of main opposition in Russia is in jail for simply being in opposition? Trump is still not in jail after a coup. Of course he can be removed from power, but don't be ridicoulous with claims that people are just lazy or not brave enough. If you even start to organize to critique the goverment in Russia, you go to jail. It is a lot harder to actually form a movement when they arrest you so fast, as soon as you say that you are displeased, let along actually try to form a group for protest, let along an armed revolution. Of course it is possible, but lets not be ignorant and compare it to other regimes.

And in Russia it is nice tropical weather /s Are we talking about closing borders just for the winter, of for the summer as well? Are we talking about closing boreders for Russians that cant pay ticket to continue to other coutnries or to all russians? These are nonsense arguments where you pretend to make descision in their best intrerest. Are they too stupid to not be able to make a decision themselves to leave the country if they are under threat of certain death in a war. They would rather live in a tent then in a battlefield under same freezing conditions. How can someone in all honestly believe this clear lie?

"Close them down, nothing of value in Russia at the moment". while talking about closing borders for Russian refugees. Hardly can be interpreted any other way then talking about human lives. But maybe you didn't know article was about migration, but by title alone assumed it was just sanctions.

I agree. Thank you then for your explaining. Sorry for misinterpreting your comment.

He never said that it is impossible to overthrow him, he said that it is very difficult. Which is objectively true. Putin is a leader of a superpower, he has nukes for god's sake. This other user is claiming that because they overthrow their president that they could also overthrow a dictator that has been in power for dacades consolidating his power and controls a huge military aresenal at his disposal.

Furthermore. this user from Ukraine, that of course we all simpatize on terms of being at war, has clearly belived in anti-russian racist propaganda so much that he belives that people in Russia are not forced to go to war, but are volenrarly getting shot at in war just because they are so evil and want to kill as many Ukranians as possible. They clearly stated that they live lives just as comfortable as before 2014, and doesn't understand that they are under santctions and has no understanding of what santions actually do to a population.