WhiskeyJuliet

Hitler hated communism, not socialism. The two are not the same. Hitler very much loved socialism.

That's actually completely right. You can't understand WWII without reading about the prior century, especially the history of colonialism.

The chief reason WWII happened was because Japan and Germany looked around and saw a US-Anglo global hegemony forming. The British had pretty aggressively expanded their empire world-wide, killing millions along the way, and were using that as economic leverage to bully everyone else. In the US, well, they did the same thing, but throughout the North American continent, and were beginning to expand globally as well.

Both Japan and Germany, who previously hasn't done much colonial expansion, realized they had a choice of either becoming feudal states to a US/British alliance, or could try carving out their own empires. And, of course, they took a chance, which ultimately failed since they started way too late in the game.

Ironically, the modern EU, now dominated by Germany, is pretty close to Hitler's original vision of Europe, albeit without quite as much bloodshed or ethnic "purity". It's a continent-spanning political system where almost all of Europe is economically and militarily unified under German leadership.

Nazis weren't fascists. Fascism was an Italian political philosophy.

The argument comes from historians who know how to read books and are aware of all the socialist programs the German National Socialists instituted as part of their socialist ideology.

The idea that the Nazis weren't socialists comes from sheltered kids who got their entire history education about the early 1900s from Hollywood war movies that depict Germans as either murderous psychopaths or blank faced robots to be gunned down FPS-style by the "good guys."

But they always hated and fought against real socialist and anarchists.

That's a No True Scottsman argument.

The Nazis instituted a ton of socialist welfare programs, issued a lot of propaganda to that effect, and even instituted universal healthcare and free higher education.

By the textbook definition, they were socialists.

Nazis were socialists. It's literally in the name. National Socialists. Hitler instituted a ton of government welfare programs for Germans.

As much as I detest socialists, to be fair to them, Hitler's brand of socialism was also coupled with jingoism, which called for those socialist programs to be provided for by invading all "lesser" peoples and taking their stuff.

You encountered a modern day Nazi who hates National Socialists?

Socialists hate being reminded that the National Socialists were, in fact, socialists and believed in things like the "right" to housing, food, healthcare.

All provided by a benevolent government that definitely would always have their best interests in mind and would never do anything evil.

Yeah, it's pretty transparent lefty propaganda. Whatever happened to "my body my choice"? If I want to murder my unborn child, that's fine, but if I don't want to inject an experimental vaccine into my body to avoid a 0.0001% risk of death, I'm a lunatic trying to kill everyone?

It's proof even liberals don't even completely trust the vaccine, since if they believed it worked, it wouldn't matter if you took it or not.

The real dangerous aspect to this is there's no exit strategy to the left's vision. Scientists are predicting Covid isn't going away. It's literally a strain of the flu, which mutates every year, just like the flu. If you believe huge sections of the economy have to be shut down, and everyone has to take rushed expensive vaccines twice a year, and we can't be within 6 feet of another living person, or else everyone's going to die, you'll be living like that for the rest of your life.

Of course, the pharma industry is loving all this fear, propaganda and paranoia. They're racking in the cash. All while being immune to lawsuits over injury as a result of their "completely safe" vaccines.

Conservatism, practically by definition, resists and rejects new things.

Conservatives reject blindly accepting new things, yes. That's called looking before you leap and taking time to rationally weight the risks vs rewards.

Society is a complex machine. It's impossible to gauge the effects of something like a vaccine in a few short lived lab tests. If we inject a vaccine into children, during their most formative years, how is that going to effect their development a decade from now? Is it going to stunt their growth? Increase their risk of cancer? Give them some other subtle illness years down the road? And for what benefit? All scientific evidence so far says that children have essentially no risk of being injured by Covid.

But asking such reasonable scientific questions gets you branded anti-vax and anti-science by people who understand neither.

We know the elderly with pre-existing conditions do have a substantial risk of being injured by Covid, and even if the vaccine has long-term health effects, that's not something someone with an average 10 years of life left has to worry about. So that cost/benefit analysis makes sense for them to take the risk on a new vaccine.

Progressives are prone to blindly accept anything new for novelty's sake, especially from government, which they use as a substitute religion. No one screaming for everyone to take the vaccine is doing so because they're a scientist and have read peer-reviewed studies showing it's safe. They're doing it because it's a change, which they love, ordered by their government masters, which they irrationally believe unconditionally.

When Jonas Salk made the Polio vaccine, conservatives whined that it hadn’t been tested and couldn’t be safe. So many people talked on every platform they had to decry the vaccine as “unsafe”, to the point that Salk had to make the statement “It is safe, and you can’t get safer than safe.”

And they were lying back then too. The Cutter incident involved a defective polio vaccine rollout from Cutter Labortories that resulted in 200,000 children being infected with live polio. Around 40,000 children would develop polio, with hundreds being permanently injured from it and some even dying from it.

Turns out the people working in government and scientific labs are, in fact, people, and therefore fallible. Blindly trusting them is a mistake. Trust is earned, and our government bureaucracy has done nothing to earn anyone's trust in a very long time.

Sixty-six years later, and conservatives still shout the same thing, this hasn’t been a “rise”. It’s been an awakening for those who didn’t realize the American right has always been anti-vax.

I'm old enough to remember a year ago, when multiple Democrats were saying the vaccine could not be trusted because Trump was endorsing it and, God forbid, even rushing it into production.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden/democrat-biden-warns-against-rushing-out-coronavirus-vaccine-says-trump-cannot-be-trusted-idUSKBN2671NW

"Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Wednesday rejected President Donald Trump’s charge that he is spreading fear about the safety of a potential coronavirus vaccine, urging Trump to defer to scientists and not rush its rollout."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/05/kamala-harris-trump-coronavirus-vaccine-409320

"Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris said she wouldn't take President Donald Trump’s word on the reliability of any coronavirus vaccine released before the election."

I never realized what anti-vaxxers our glorious President and Vice President are. No wonder more people have allegedly died of Covid in 2021 than in 2020.

Oh no, people who believe it's their body and therefore their choice! Heavens to meteoroid!

Don't those fools realize that without the vax, they risk a 0.0001% chance of death?!?!?!