TealDragon

Pathetic fool loses the argument so he starts hurling vile insults :-D

Sorry Clown. You lost.

Oooooo. The old "anyone who disagrees with me is a pedo" argument.

Clever.

Your first sentence is completely wrong.

Your straw man at the end is stupid bad-faith bullshit. The vast majority of teens are no longer 13.

There are other factors, of course, but getting treated like shit, being constantly told you're a moron, having your sex life criminalized, constantly being told you'll get groomed and preyed on because you're an idiot, getting zero respect, and having no legal rights is a major cause of the mental health crisis (which happened simultaneously with the change of paradigm from teens = young adults to teens = large children)

13 year olds are also different from 19 year olds

and 13 year olds are different from 7 year olds

I have seen people literally argue that a romantic relationship MUST be abusive because one of the lovers is only 19 and therefore "still a teen" ... the dogma that says teens are children is absolutely false and it is damaging the hell out of young people.

This 4 minute vid explains it pretty well. https://youtu.be/12J1f0Zqaqw

If you lock people out of adult society they gain no life experience.

Strictly keeping youth out of bars because they have no "life experience" means they'll never get the "life experience" you think they need to be considered adults and allowed into bars. It's a system for maintaining child status permanently.

Your subjective opinions on who is "mature" are irrelevant.

Do people really believe that 20 year olds are children and no one ever in the entire history of the world ever noticed this, and the only people who ever got this right are in the USA in the last 20 years?

That is just astoundingly ridiculous.

If a child is raised by wolves do they ever become "mature"?

"maturity" is purely subjective. there is no way to measure it. what is perceived as mature varies a lot from culture to culture.

Nature makes us adults through a process called puberty. Society cannot change that. It is biological reality.

Your position, that puberty is irrelevant, and the only thing that makes humans adults is a vague kind of "maturity" measured only by minute changes in the least-understood organ in the human body, is appallingly stupid.

Like, I can't believe that you're not just trolling me. How on earth can you claim something so obviously not true?

I'm blocking you. Rethink your life. You don't have to be a useless blockhead troll forever.

Do you know how many factors are considered when calculating the Tanner Scale?

It is a complex and comprehensive measure of puberty.

Puberty is what makes us adults.

The fact that you can deny that with a straight face is amazing.

Teens are adults. We reach Tanner Stage 5 on average at 14 years of age now. This is not in dispute. The science is clear. You just dislike it, so you deflect to irrelevant garbage about some neural pathways that change a bit when you're 20 :-D

Incidentally teen brains aged 13-15 perform best on several types of cognitive test.

again, data that bigots choose to ignore.