Mihies

If you look at LTS dates, 6 overlaps 8 by a year. And when it comes to patches, there are two scenarios. One is framework dependant app where you don't have to do anything. And there is self-contained where you have to update the app - but how else would you patch it - this is the same for every app out there, isn't it?

Theoretically one could simply upgrade to newer long term supported release when old one expires. Shouldn't break (a lot).

Sure, but then again, there are other elements as well.

Indeed awesome. Sadly no words about recycling such a battery, though it sounds like it should be fairly recyclable.

Cars are probably covered differently by law, like minimum years producer has to offer replacement parts and such. Probably all boils down to the contract for that exoskeleton. Definitely not an excuse for that petty company trying to suck tens of thousands of dollars instead of a simple repair.

Exactly what we probably said for plastics. And here we are now. The logic of, it's just a "small" amount, why bother is so wrong. What good is to piling trash?

But theoretically the storage can scale well and it's relatively cheap, albeit who really knows about the price for storage since there are no at scale storages out there yet.

it's only zero emission if you use a fuel cell

What do you mean by this? However you burn it, it's zero emission, isn't it?

Awesome, I win! But seriously, I do hope we pull something off ASAP, being hydrogen or some sort of battery or whatever.

Let's continue the conversation after a couple of years?

I guess we are stating the same, just from different perspectives. About Germany, you are correct that it isn't just their push towards renewables, it was a combination of ditching nuclear power and going full renewables. The real world outcome was huge pollution. That was indeed reduced by renewables (each year more) but still, it was enormous and it's still pretty huge and will be for a foreseeable future unless they come with enough surplus of renewables and huge energy storage. I don't see the later coming soon, though. The France does it right, they rely on nuclear.

You say (correct me if I'm wrong) that renewables (even without storage) are reducing emissions because they reduce fossil fuels usage, and you are definitely right. I'm saying that that's not enough, we have to ditch fossil fuels entirely and if/when that occurs, renewables without storage are not that useful since we will have to rely on stable non-co2-emission power source - which is only nuclear today.

Sorry to go so hard on this

Hey, it's a healthy debate.

Edit: formatting

You think? I'm saying that we can have a strategy, but that doesn't guarantee the outcome. Again, show me a city scale energy storage today. So, until we have one, it's vaporware. Basically this strategy is based on what exactly? Hope?

Strategy doesn't mean it will be actually implemented or it's the best. For example, Ursula instructed the transportation guy to try to implement Hyperloop. Shall I say more? :) There is also strategy to ditch fossil fuel cars soon....