Thanks for this. I was one of the "Tankies" getting downvoted in that thread. That whole thread was really confusing. Like is Europe being that Nationalistic?
If there is one thing I know about Europe is that each country may have its own nationalism but "European Nationalism" is just when they decide collectively to deport/and or murder Jews and brown people.
Absolutely. Thanks for the receipts.
I mean Canada literally honored a WW2 vet for a Ukrainian that "fought Russia" in WW2. Like, no thought "who was fighting the USSR in Ukraine in WW2?"
Yep. A lot of Nazi leaders began making their connections with the west as it became obvious that the USSR was winning in the Eastern front as well as Operation Paperclip, etc.
Would love to know where you're getting your numbers from for the US and China. I surely hope it's not just the AI response on top of Google. But that's what it seems like. You'd literally have to write a whole research paper to get a good comparison because these are heavily consumer based subsidies within each country and China just has a much larger market it sells to heavily inflating the credit because of population. Also, you didn't list a date range for your 30 Billion number.
You also have to account for state level subsidies and tax credits in the US in addition to Federal programs, grants, loans, etc. Would love to read a paper on this if you have a source.
But, even using your numbers 30 Billion (something I don't think is accounting for State or EV infrastructure spending; but again, I'd like to see a source) is not a "drop in the bucket". It's 13% of what you listed for China over 14 years. Interestingly enough China also outselling the US in terms of market share. Comparing the subsidies of a country that owns the plurality of the market to one that does not is silly. Subsidies are going to increase WITH sales. China is selling significantly more cars. You'd have to compare the subsidies and adjust them based on units sold.
Doing some "Google AI response results" myself China is selling about 8x more EVs than the US (in 2023).
Hmmm. 8x30 = 240 billion. Weird. Again, I'm not taking my numbers seriously but I'm not taking your numbers seriously either because you didn't sight a source, adjust for units sold, or give a date range for your US numbers.
But you're just not comparing this correctly. You HAVE to adjust for units sold. Which you are not.
My dude the US subsidizes the shit out of its electric car industry. When someone brings up "supply and demand" and just tries to pretend that the economy is exactly what they learned in their econ101 class.
They are doing the tarrifs on Chinese EVS because (1) they can't compete on price and (2) the Chinese EVS are just a superior product.
You're right on China though. They are just doing exactly what the US has done for decades. It's just that the US doesn't like having to actually compete with another country. So instead of actually making better and cheaper cars they instead just decide to tell the American people "nah, looks like you're just being a shit Tesla"
The US loves to say "free market" but notice how they don't allow a free market to force their industry to actually innovate and compete.
China is not "cheating" by subsidizing it's industry. That's literally just standard shit every government does. Thats just an excuse. America is subsidizing it's EVs too. They just have worse EVs.
Nothing quite says "American Capitalist bootlicker" more than proudly paying more for an inferior product while complaining that it's the Communists fault.
I mean they're happy because right now it's just "owning the libs". When their social security checks don't show up or their Medicaid gets denied I like to think they'll learn. But the Republicans are already trying to line that up to be "corruption and immigrants". I also like to think that the Republicans will lose some of their propaganda power the longer they are in office. You can only hit the "blame DEI" button so many times before it doesn't work anymore.
Sometimes I think Democrat establishment bootlickers actually wanted to lose just so they could write comments like this.
Are you gonna be like the lady that called ICE on her neighbor because the son voted for Trump to get his parents deported? Like, you have no actual moral compass. You just want your team to win and will attack anyone that might hurt your team. You're attacking people that are against genocide for not voting for a candidate that supports genocide.
So a mass of Americans misunderstood something about politics and that's the voters fault. Ok. Sure. Ill give you that. But if only there was a major political party we could use to communicate with a mass of these Americans and correct the record.
Oh, wait, that's literally the job the Democratic party. You can come up with any excuse; voters, Republicans, misinformation, media, etc. But at the end of the day the party that is actually responsible for combatting those things failed. They failed to communicate with the American people. They are run by a bunch of rich old boomers with zero connection or understanding to the workers of America.
If you don't criticize the party and instead let them get away with "blaming voters" then they will never actually change their policies and messaging that has failed them over and over again.
Seriously, if the problems is actually voters then isn't the solution in changing the actual platform we use to communicate with voters? Because if that platform isn't working then we should blame that platform as well. Actually, we should focus on the problems with that platform BECAUSE that is what is used to change voters minds.
So I'd say that's heavily weighted to a large portion of the population that just has zero say (statically) over the election. The electoral college makes our elections statistically pointless for 43/50 states. So any "stay as home" people or "blue states shifting red" are just a reflection of how little people have faith in the democratic party. But not actually a reflection of what lost the election.
For example, I live in Washington, there is just no statistical way my state goes for Trump. So I voted for the PSL candidate for president and went Democrat down the ballot the rest of the way.
As far as the presidential vote goes I am essentially the same as a non voter. But that did NOT matter at all. My state went blue. And my PSL vote was influenced by that. If I was in Georgia (my previous home state) I'd have voted for Harris.
I feel like the focus on the "protest vote" is trivial. The states that mattered lost the non political person to the couch because the Democrats couldn't message to them enough to get them to care to drive to the polls.
At the end of the day. The Dems lost because they didn't give any progressive minded people a reason to get off the couch on election day. They instead spent their whole campaign trying to "turn" voters they could never win on issues like "tough on immigrant" policies.
Yeah aren't Maltese a pretty healthy breed of dog? (I think thats what that dog is) Inbreeding obviously fucks that up but definitely not a bad breed of dog. I know they have pretty long lifespans.