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Geek and nerd had negative connotations when geeks and nerds were commonly poor, but then things shifted and, notably with the rise of the Information Age, being a geek and/or nerd turned into being useful in becoming wealthy. Now it is a compliment.

True of all insults, really. Same reason, for example, words with connotations to slavery are considered insults. Or those related to those who sell sexual favours. Again, the implication is that one is poor. Any words you can throw at someone who is rich will be something most people will want to wear as a badge of honour.

Should definitely make an English word for exactly that.

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and you are trying to convince me it’s right.

I'm not sure I see the logic in that. Of what value would there be in convincing you that it is right? I have no agency over your brain. It means nothing to me. I wouldn't try to convince a stone that I am right and the only difference between you and a stone is that you can speak back, hopefully offering knowledge when you do.

It’s okay for people to believe what they say.

It's okay, but what's the value proposition? It takes work to say things. The brain expects payment for the work it does. Knowledge can be sufficient payment, but if you have a belief no more knowledge can be acquired. It is final. I'm not receiving cash, a hug, anything. So, what is it that I have overlooked?

Well, no, I'm not settled on it. It is an idea, but it has not made it to belief status. I'm talking about it, after all. If it were a belief, what value proposition would there be in such an exchange?

They genuinely believe the dumb shit they say.

It is unlikely that anyone believes what they say, as why would you waste time talking about something you believe in? You already believe it. Your mind has been made. There is absolutely nothing more than can be said. Discussion is only interesting when you can learn something new, which means exploring the things you don't (yet) believe in.

There is good reason why every comment isn't: "Hay guys, did you know that 1+1=2!?!?" I expect everyone believes that to be true, which is why it would be rather boring to talk about. If someone says something, you can be sure they don't believe in it and have mentioned it because they are seeking more information for validation, potentially to make it a belief in the future should those discussions remove the outstanding doubt.

If you watch people, the pattern becomes quite apparent: Once something becomes a belief, interest is lost, and the talk about that subject will fade. They move on to something new that they want to find validation in.

My argument has always rested on the question of why someone might buy an account.

And that is because the good names are already taken. People are also paying stupid amounts of money to secure an already registered .com and it is clearly for reasons of vanity, not malicious activity.

Technically speaking, jfkldajflkdnalkmfq3u409ijaeklfja0ui3qjaklfa.tires works just as well as any other domain name. Cheap bastards like me would unquestionably choose that over paying millions for something that looks nicer, but those with millions to burn clearly have other ideas.

I’d say it’s not even a problem of someone sweeping things under the rug, but an intruder throwing dust and trash all around.

The disabled and people with other life challenges will always exist. Call them swept under the rug or trash thrown around, but either way, why do you believe that is the right approach to dealing with them as opposed to accommodating them? Just because it is easier for you?

I think we’re just two people exchanging views on a certain question.

Wouldn't you say that writing comments on forums is a solitary activity? I mean, there is good reason to believe you exist out there as another person, but is that not just an implementation detail of the software? Would it make any difference if the software quietly replaced you with something akin to ChatGPT? The answer is no. If done well, I'd never notice. The value is not in the exchange with another person either.

Don't get me wrong. I do believe there can be value in exchange with other people. But when one seeks that they go outside. This environment is quite different; it is very much designed around the individual.

But in certain cases, where persuasion leads to action, it’s different.

I didn't mean to suggest that argument cannot happen, but I don't see the value in it. I don't find enjoyment in changing random interest stranger's (or ChatGPT model's) minds. And when I'm spending my precious free time, it had better be enjoyably spent. If they are "wrong", that's their problem. One needs to take some relaxing downtime just for themselves now and again.

that the responsibility lies in the person imbibing information.

Well, I suggest that the responsibility lies on us to create a world where people struggling with misinformation is not an impediment. I get the appeal of trying to sweep them under the rug. It unquestionably makes things easier, like not needing to accommodate those in wheelchairs makes things easier. But must we take the easy road?

arguing in good faith.

Well, I don't know if I'd go that far. By common definition, argument implies that one wants to persuade another to share in their views. Truthfully, I have no care as to what kind of views you hold. There is no value proposition in trying to persuade you. That is not the value of discussion.

moderators and admins are two separate things

Yes, it is true that you can metaphorically "shovel the parking lot at Walmart" on Lemmy, but my assumption was that anyone who has an interest in moderating would also take ownership of an instance. That said, it seems we are moving past the question of: Who cares if they have to work like a dog? One does not become a volunteer moderator if they don't like the work. Perhaps providing more moderator duties is actually providing them a service?

I agree, in principle, but in practice?

I took that you already suggested that some people just aren't capable of understanding the seperation, and I acknowledged that as being a real, possible scenario. But I also questioned how far you can really go by babysitting them. At some point you have to accept the lost cause, no?

If the likes of you and I are doing our jobs properly, our world should be robust enough to handle those with such disabilities and other life challenges. Are you suggesting that you and I have failed?

I hate to say this, but are you willing to extend this reasoning to moderators here in Lemmy? They’re also giving their free labor here, right?

Sure. Although presumably they also own the instance, so it is free labour like clearing your own laneway of snow is free labour, being the benefactor of the capital ownership. That is different to volunteering to clear the snow in the Walmart parking lot.

Selling accounts feeds the misinformation machine.

Only if the moderators can't keep up due to the aforementioned volume problem. The "trustworthiness" of the account has no bearing on the "trustworthiness" of the message that gets delivered. A professional surgeon exclaiming that the world is flat wouldn't make it any more believable than a homeless person standing on the street corner. The person delivering the message is irrelevant, hence why it is a logical fallacy to try and ascribe value to a person's character in this regard.

My apologies if I have been combative in my tone

No need to apologize. Tone has no bearing on the content you are delivering. If I cannot separate the two, I have failed as a human and can be lumped among the braindead.

I agree. It is always good to remind that you're dealing with crazies on the street corner. Although it is understandable why Reddit wants to silently walk back on telling the world that they are trying to profit off crazies rambling on about nothing. There is good reason why the real street corner is only viable through government agency.

Why would anyone buy a Reddit account anyways?

Presumably because all the good usernames are already taken.

Because karma points and account age has been used as a proxy measure for an account’s trustworthiness.

For the sake of moderation effort, that is pertinent, yes. It is true that a new account is more likely to spam than an old, active account, so some moderators will choose to only allow the latter to post to make their lives easier, and this circumvents that. But if someone is foolish enough to give their free labour for Reddit's gain, let them work like dogs. Why should anyone else care?

is a valuable thing for misinformation and/or campaigns.

Only if moderators stop doing their job. However, Reddit has made it pretty clear if moderators stop doing their job they will be kicked to the curb. It is doubtful that there is any material difference here.

Perhaps you are implying that the Reddit crowd doesn't have the wherewithal to avoid the fallacy of authority, but if you truly think they can't even work through a simple logic exercise, there is no hope no matter how hard you try to babysit them. At that point they are already certifiably braindead. Let them go.