CHINESEBOTTROLL

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[–] CHINESEBOTTROLL@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I guess it depends on the place. But the arguments for not including seem futile, when

  • we use 0 to even write the other natural numbers
  • we define almost all of our algebraic objects (groups, rings/fields, modules/vector spaces, algebras) to include 0
  • we don't do modular arithmetic with {1,...,n} that would be crazy

Of course 0 vs no 0 only matters if you actually do arithmetic with it. If you only index you could just as well start with 5.

(The only reasons I can think of to start at 1 is that 1 is the 1-st element then and the sequence (1/n) is defined for all natural n)

[–] CHINESEBOTTROLL@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Idk if you are trolling, but in most cases 0 is considered a part of the natural numbers. And there is a huge difference between the naturals and the integers: the naturals are for induction, the integers are for algebra.

[–] CHINESEBOTTROLL@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People use "capitalism" in different ways. The person you responded to probably meant it as "free marked system", which Lemmy absolutely fits into. Often "capitalism" is used to mean "profit seeking system", which Lemmy doesn't fit into.

Both of these uses are common.