AgreeableLandscape

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It's already a red flag when a factory/workshop has one of these days without injury things, it's a deep, blood stained scarlet flag when this isn't on a whiteboard, not on a piece of paper, hell not even on a simple plaque with changeable number inserts, but a fully printed and laminated metal sign with an electronic counter.

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First of all, consider that most major media content from official sources like TV shows and movies are geolocked to approved countries. This has way more to do with copyright and licensing than censorship, but it's what it is.

Second, consider the fact that every VPN around the world advertise that "if you're in China, you can use us to get past censorship" in their marketing. Now, how many VPNs that Westerns use have an actual endpoint inside Mainland China? Totally legal to do btw, but how many prividers actually do it? Which, fun fact, the simple act of jumping the great firewall isn't illegal. It's only illegal of you commit a crime while bypassing the firewall, like if you were posting on a Western porn site or something, in which case it could be used to increase sentencing in court. Technically you can only use VPNs by Chinese companies (many of which still let you jump the firewall BTW), but as far as I know they don't enforce it that much considering how prevalent Western VPNs are over there, and the fact they if they really cared they would have blocked all the major foreign VPN endpoints. Watching even explicitly state censored stuff isn't illegal, it's only illegal if you make, advertise, duplicate, or distribute it. Actually, additional fun fact, access and possession of porn is generally legal in China, they only criminalize, again, making, distributing, duplicating, or advertising it, that's just their general philosophy when it comes to banned media.

Third, consider piracy. How often do you see Chinese media on western torrent sites or illegal streaming sites? I dunno about you, but pretty much never for me. Meanwhile, plenty of Chinese illegal streaming sites have all the Western shows you could want, and Chinese people torrent stuff all the time. Piracy is technically illegal in China, especially since torrenting counts as distribution, but I've personally never heard it enforced for regular Western movies and TV shows, only for porn and stuff like that. (Source: Am Chinese, lived in China) And there are tons of Chinese streaming sites, hosted in China, which you'd think would be pretty easy for them to shut down if they actually cared about it.

All in all, Chinese people aren't starving for Western "freedom" media. The West is starving for Chinese media.

 

cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/363146

The Holodomor Genocide Question: How Wikipedia Lies to You

 
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Do drugs, go left. (lemmygrad.ml)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by AgreeableLandscape@lemmygrad.ml to c/genzedong@lemmygrad.ml
 

Okay, to be clear, I'm not actually saying you should do drugs. I just found this picture funny and kind of insightful. I intended the title not to be a command, but as an 'if this then that" observation.

Suddenly the cryptobros don't like the fact that anyone can use it anymore.

Pedophiles paying for CP and murderers paying for hitmen? That's just the cost of currency freedom, apparently (not making it up, I've seen cryptobros defending both under the guise of if you suppress them you suppress everyone). But a country the US hates paying to feed its people? Now that goes too far!

 
[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Unless you're a Patsoc as in Socialism with Patrick Star characteristics. Then you're a valued member of this forum.

Not pictured: the seething sarcasm.

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yeah, the part of the queer community that's not dead from Nazis.

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I made another comment about that.

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

As for the first part of your comment, no. Being in the official military of a country is not a crime or entering into a criminal conspiracy, so if a soldier goes rogue and decides to do something they shouldn't, that's only on them. However, if a commanding officer orders a war crime, and it's carried out, then yes, everyone in the chain of command below that, and is associated with the war crime, is a war criminal. Like, say, the US pentagon ordering drone strikes on a hospital. Just trace metaphorical lines from the people that ordered it, and their subordinates, and theirs, all the way down to the people who did the actual act. Everyone that touches that tree is a war criminal. In fact, under the laws of war, soldiers have a legal duty to actively refuse any order they know to be a war crime, and it's a separate war crime to punish a soldier for refusing to commit the original war crime. "I was just following orders" is very explicitly not a defense, IIRC this was actually passed internationally after too many Nazis used that line.

Also, an official national military is a special case where most civilian laws don't apply, that's why we have military law and military courts. But the same is not said for a paramilitary organisation like the Azov.

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Yes, you need to do the conspiracy, but, overt agreement is part of that. Just like a hitman simply saying "sure, I'll kill her" constitutes entering into the conspiracy, if, say, whatever initiation oath the Azov makes you recite says anything about working toward racial purity or anything like that, that would probably count. Or, if they at any point help in any way with any of the Azov's war efforts.

Remember that conspiracy law punishes all members of that conspiracy of every crime committed under it. If you and your friend rob a store, and your friend decides to shoot the cashier on their way out, even if they did not consult you, you're on the hook for murder. This video has two scenes with very Layman friendly explanations by a real lawyer of how that works in the US, and what constitutes a conspiracy in general

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Also, no, collective punishment is not a thing at least in US law. Individuals commit crimes, individuals get punishments. An individual would have to agree to commit a crime for it to be conspiracy.

https://federal-lawyer.com/criminal-law/criminal-conspiracy/

Federal conspiracy charges are broad and can apply to any individual who conspires with another individual to perpetuate a crime against the United States. Federal conspiracies are charged under 18 U.S.C. 371. An individual can be charged with a conspiracy to violate any kind of federal law.

you do not have to have committed the underlying offense to be guilty of conspiracy. Under the conspiracy laws in the United States, if you act in concert with another individual to perpetrate a crime, you can be held liable as well.

If they take any action in furtherance of any of the atrocities of the Azov, they could be on the hook for all the crimes, depending on the exact wording of the law in the DPR.

There's also abetting, which generally refers to calling for or encouraging the commission of a crime with the knowledge that it could result in the crime actually being committed. Given that, one, tons of Azovs are on record publicly calling for "racial purification", and it's common knowledge (certainly to the initiated members) that the Azov Battalion has actually committed acts toward that in the past and intends to continue, I think that would apply. Depending on the jurisdiction, aiding and abetting could well net you the same punishment as if you personally committed the crime, or some percentage of it.

None of this is legal advice BTW, but I think the vast majority of the Azov are on the hook for at least one serious offense.

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

Would you say being a member of the Nazi SS in Germany is also not a crime?

You might want to read up on the common legislation and legal doctrine about conspiracy and criminal groups, including the case in the West. Namely, if a group enters into an agreement (that's literally the legal term) to commit some crime, every member of the group is each guilty of every crime involved in the conspiracy, regardless if they participated in any part of the crime or not. It's why entire gangs and underground societies are prosecuted for the entire group's actions, and the Azov committed uncountable haneous crimes. Continuing to vocally identify as part of the group after finding out the commisions of crimes or future planned crimes is almost certainly considered entering into or upholding that criminal agreement.

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

I'm still trying to figure out what they mean lol. Russian invaders not "get" the same? The people being tried are not Russian invaders, they're members of the Azov. And the DPR is trying them, not Russia.

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

What's also ironic is that they always say how violent Squirrel and Hedgehog is, and how it uses the trope of objective good vs objective evil, and the good guys always pull through. While conveniently not mentioning that Japanese anime from the same era has a similar level of violence (you know, the country right next to the DPRK and has quite a bit of cultural overlap?), or the fact that literally every kid show ever has the exact same simplified good vs evil message? The cartoon doesn't even mention any real countries! It's in a 100% fictional, fantasy setting!

Also, if you're going into college level literary analysis to draw comparisons between a cartoon for children and real life politics (like, young children, not high schoolers or some age where you'd actually expect them to understand real politics), aren't you basically saying that children in the DPRK are way smarter than Western children?

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