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[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 225 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The ceo is a bigoted asshole, Brave is chromium, it was initially funded by Peter Thiel and they're literally just trying to make their own adsense network.

The self-proclaimed privacy focused browser is tracking your browsing and want to serve you personalized ads, and I think they want to use that tracking data for AI training as well, meaning other people can potentially access it.

And lets not forget about their crypto currency that you can earn by turning on special ads. Which they seemingly unironically called it "Basic Attent Tokens"..

TL;DR: The company is basically a sham company trying to usher in a dystopia. Where you'll get paid for staring at ads, while having all your data stolen and sold back to you.

[–] sic_1@feddit.de 68 points 1 year ago (29 children)

I see no reason to use any other browser than Firefox and maybe Librewolf.

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[–] blue_zephyr@lemmy.world 135 points 1 year ago (19 children)

The fact that their founder wants to ban gay marriage is enough reason for me to avoid it like the plague.

[–] JehovasThickness@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] blue_zephyr@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He made a thousand dollar donation in support of proposition 8, a constitutional amendment in California that strips gay people of the right to marry. He then proceeded to argue that such a donation does not make him a bigot or an enemy of LGBTQ+ people, because he's a delusional piece of filth.

This effectively prevented gay people from marrying in California from 2008 to 2013 until the fascists that supported it were finally done trying to argue how this doesn't violate the US constitution.

So yeah, may he, his browser, and any pathethic excuse that pretends to be human being who supported this abomination rot in the deepest depths forever.

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[–] rog@lemmy.one 107 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I dont know why anyone would leave chrome and land on something like brave.

If youre ditching chrome, which you should, go to an actual different browser and use Firefox.

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[–] arc@lemm.ee 94 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Brave is a marching band of red flags. It claims privacy while injecting ads, affiliate codes and crypto into the browser. It's kind of sad to see someone like Brendan Eich who should know better turn to the dark side and pretend this is all fine. It isn't.

Best advice I could give for anyone who wants privacy is use Firefox or a branch of it. Firefox is out of the box the most privacy conscious mainstream browser and add-ons make it more so. If you want absolute privacy you could even use a derivative like Tor Browser.

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[–] stooovie@lemmy.world 83 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I have absolutely no idea how Brave got the reputation it has. It's business model is disgusting and extortionate, it's like paying for warez. Been clear as day since day one.

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[–] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

At one point they were scummy enough to automatically add their referral codes to any Amazon link you see. Lots of people today still mindlessly recommend Brave, and that's what's wrong in general with the "but the UX is so nice" mentality.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lots of people today still mindlessly recommend Brave

It starts to feel astroturfed at a certain point. The last week or so has been crazy.

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[–] CafecitoHippo@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yeah, fuck this guy.

First, I have been online for almost 30 years. I’ve led an open source project for 14 years. I speak regularly at conferences around the world, and socialize with members of the Mozilla, JavaScript, and other web developer communities. I challenge anyone to cite an incident where I displayed hatred, or ever treated someone less than respectfully because of group affinity or individual identity.

So I hid my hatred from everyone for 30 years successfully. Now that everyone finds out that I donated to a cause to strip them of rights everyone wants to say I'm hateful? Give me one example where I displayed hatred....how about the time you donated to strip people of their rights? That might be a big one for me.

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[–] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago (9 children)

The fact that its main 2 gimmicks are a shitty ad blocker and integrated cryptocurrency should be enough of a red flag, honestly. Just use Firefox, people!

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[–] scripthook@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just use Firefox and DuckDuckGo

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[–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago
[–] 0oWow@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (7 children)

"If someone recommends Brave to you, you should ignore them, because they are wrong."


I stopped reading here. If you would like to present objective technical arguments, please try not to sound like a 5 year old "I'm right, you're wrong, blah blah".

Use Brave or use Firefox. They both work great for privacy, but I find Brave is easier to configure to be private.

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[–] Rose@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Thanks. Whenever I raised the issue of homophobia or his general support of right-wing causes that threaten people's privacy (see the aftermath of Roe v. Wade for example), I got downvoted, be it on the PrivacyGuides sub where they adore the browser, or right here just weeks ago.

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[–] hal_5700X@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (21 children)

I use Brave as a backup browser. My main one is Firefox.

You can turn off the crypto stuff. You don't have to use Brave Shields (in browser ad blocker). It can be turned off. Now you can use uBlock Origin or another ad blocker.

About the CEO, I can't see nothing about his beliefs reflecting in his work. Looks like he kept them separated. I'm not for said beliefs.

[–] InfiniteFlow@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (7 children)

That you can is besides the point. You shouldn’t need to. If the first thing I need to think about after installing it is “well, let’s see what garbage is in here that I need to turn off”, then any trust I would have for it has already gone out the window. Especially important odor a browser where that is kind of the main differentiating aspect.

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[–] barberousse@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago

Long time Brave user here. This made me uninstall Brave and move to Firefox. Thank you !

[–] wildcelt@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I get people wanting an alternative Chromium based browser. Vivaldi, IMO, is a much better than Brave, and doesn't have all the annoying crypto weirdness.

I don't use either, though, I use Firefox

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[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh boy, this comment section is gonna be spicy. I can already smell the smoke from the Brave enthusiasts heads exploding.

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[–] rodolfo@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I've read the article via Firefox, with NoScript enabled. Am I doing this right?

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[–] tengkuizdihar@discuss.online 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Vivaldi? Trusting a closed sourced application for privacy? What?

Not even defending brave here, just weird that the author say that.

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[–] danhab99@programming.dev 20 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Why was appointing Eich as CEO so controversial? It's because he donated $1,000 in support of California's Proposition 8 in 2008, which was a proposed amendment to California's state constitution to ban same-sex marriage.

Besides this I cannot find another good reason not to use brave. Nobody point to a specific line of code that ruins privacy, not enough reasons.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Good enough for this gay Californian.

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[–] CaptainStrider@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Firefox works well enough for me. Never given me any problems or grief. I don't really understand the fascination with chromium forks or the insistence on using them instead of Mozilla's engine.

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[–] InternetTubes@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In my experience, the more a company brands their product presumptuously, the more you should avoid it. At the very least, it will be skewed by consumers so shallow that they only decided to use it because of it, and a significant portion of the demands on it will part from their ignorance.

[–] xaxl@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just because something is open source doesn't mean the people behind it have the best intentions in mind.

[–] Virkkunen@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I think one of the biggest issues with FOSS-minded people is that they automatically consider open source software private, safe and having good intentions in mind, but they never actually go beyond the surface to check if it actually is.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Most people who use FOSS are not qualified to check source code for ill-intent (like me) and rely on people smarter than them (and me) to review the code and find any problems. FOSS isn't automatically private, safe, and having good intentions, but if it isn't, at least the code is transparent and the review process is open for all. Commercial software has no review, and zero transparency.

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[–] QuazarOmega@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Out of the box Firefox is definitely not very privacy conscious, better than Chrome no doubt, but worse than Brave. It can be configured to be better than both or one can use Librewolf/Mullvad browser

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