this post was submitted on 07 Aug 2023
337 points (96.7% liked)

Technology

59135 readers
6622 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

TL;DR

  • ASUS has apparently withdrawn the ability to unlock the bootloader on its phones.
  • As per the company’s technical support team, Zenfone 10 and Zenfone 9 users
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] XEAL@lemm.ee 84 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ASUS is apparently killing the posibility of me being a potential customer of their smartphones.

[–] IDeserveToBeLoved@szmer.info 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Rooting users are only a small percentage of all users so they probably won't even notice unfortunately.

sent from rooted phone

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Xperr7@kbin.social 78 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh, fuck off. I'm not one to root my phone, but you own the damn thing. Once it's in your hands, the maker should have no right to tell you what to do with it.

[–] XLRV@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I'm really tired of this.

We should be able to root and install any OS on our phones like we can do on PC.

I don't use root or custom ROMs on my phone anymore but this is something that should always be possible.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Consumers seem to be too dumb for their own good.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] stefenauris@pawb.social 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well there goes any compelling reason to buy their phones lol

[–] ayaya@lemdro.id 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was genuinely thinking about going with an ASUS phone next because of the unlockable bootloader, this really sucks to see.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are plenty of makers doing unlockable bootloaders. Honestly, just avoid Samsung.

[–] kindenough@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My EU S9+ (Exynos chip) is running a custom Android 13 rom without flaws. A lot of Samsung phones can be unlocked. Seems US models (Snapdragon) are the ones that can't be unlocked, few exceptions. Most other countries have the Exynos chipset and are perfectly unlockable.

[–] adamantris@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

i think this might be related to samsung knox and its efuse, once set not really being able to be undone and that stuff

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] cafeina@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

Locked bootloader and only 2 years of upgrades? Is not like Zenfones are cheap either. Hard pass!

[–] Im28xwa@lemdro.id 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

A typical example of planned obsolescence what an effective way of killing my plans to get an Asus phone as my next daily driver assuming this is true

Some important context from the article:

A Reddit user claims that the company’s developer liaison on its Telegram channel has no knowledge of any such development. “According to them, the unlock tool server is in maintenance and will resume in Q3,” the person writes; We’ve written to ASUS to clarify the situation and will update this article when and if we hear more.

But here is the thing why do I need to use a tool to connect to a server just to be allowed to unlock the bootloader? I don't and didn't need such a thing to unlock the bootloader of my Samsung Galaxy phone

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Considering their crappy major release and security update support, rooting and flashing custom images is basically a requirement.

[–] BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is such an anti-consumer move, by refusing to unlock the bootloader Asus hinders the ability of users to extend their devices' life beyond Asus's original support window by flashing alternative ROMs...

[–] OldFartPhil@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

I'd like to see right to repair laws expanded to right to unlock. I think you could make a reasonable argument that a working device that's not receiving security updates is just as broken as a device that's experienced a hardware failure.

[–] pallettownbry@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is exactly why I sent my Zenphone 9 back. Shame because it was such a good little phone and one of the few flagships with a headphone jack.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The end of an era. Companies also locked the bootloader back then and you'll need to find a vulnerability to exploit in order to unlock it. When custom roms starting to become popular, companies relaxed their stance and allowing their customers to unlock the bootloader using an official channel instead of utilizing a security exploits, perhaps as a competitive advantage so power users would recommend them to their friends and family. Now with declining popularity of rooting and custom roms, companies are starting to stop allowing their customers to unlock the bootloader again. From their perspective, allowing bootloader unlocking is nothing but trouble (support-wise) and might even cannibalize sales (why upgrade your phone every two years when you can a custom ROM with the latest version of Android), so declining popularity of custom ROMs is a perfect excuse for them to stop allowing bootloader unlocking.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do so many phone manufacturers hate letting you unlock their bootloaders? Every Google phone lets you do this, and they probably have the most secure Androids of them all.

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google shouldn't be our shining light on phone rules lol

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

pixels are by far the best to degoogled your phone and to have privacy/security/freedom actually

they go above and beyond letting you unlock your bootloader

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] anhydrous@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Looks like my current Zenfone running LineageOS is my last Zenfone.

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

It's my device. I will do with it whatever fuck I desire

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 11 points 1 year ago

Asus is really going down the drain...

[–] holycrap@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Do consumer friendly phones exist at this point?

Pixel phones are the few ones that you can unlock the bootloader and lock again.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

fairphone is fully repairable and rootable

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Yoz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Simple fix: stop buying Asus phones. Once their profit drops they will let you unlock bootloader

[–] lorez@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In a while ASUS won't be able to sell its phones in the EU. I guarantee it.

[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I really hope the EU requires manufacturers to allow a bootloader unlock. Apple would shit themselves.

[–] hiire@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh come on. I wanted a zenfone, I wanted the compact phone with a headphone jack and actual components. But if they're being cocky about it, there's no point. I guess I'll have to find another brand

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] scarrtt@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I dropped OnePlus for this reason last year, after having 5 models starting the OnePlus 1, and ending with the 8T. Apart from OxygenOS being a buggy mess, I should be able to do what I want with my phone's software

[–] i_am_hungry@meganice.online 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What phone should I buy that is not complete trash and I can do what I want with? My Samsung phone is almost dying and I really don't want another Samsung, or Asus.

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Xiaomi flagships are easily rootable. If not anything else, you can install Xiaomi.eu roms

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Whiskeyomega@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My biggest problem with unlocking the bootloader is that many apps look for an unlocked bootloader as "Its rooted" according to that app but unlocking the bootloader and being rooted is 2 different things. I only want to run a custom rom I dont want to root. But you end up having to do the whole thing and running Magisk to hide the root and unlocked bootloader.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] bappity@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

welp, no chance I'm ever considering their phones in future

[–] transistor@lemdro.id 4 points 1 year ago

This is sad to see. Replying from Lineage OS on Asus.

[–] ryannathans@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Buy motorola edge 30

Put lineage on it

???

Profit

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's funny that looking around almost every single piece of ASUS hardward I bought over the years, I chose them because I could do more with their kit than I could do with the cheaper stuff and a lot of that had to do with access to the hardware (overclockeability of things like motherboards and graphics boards, much more configurable and better hardware for routers and media players and so on).

So I'm wandering what exactly is their unique value proposition on smartphones versus brands which are much more well known and well established in the regular consumer segment if they're ditching being the superior choice for the more technical users: what exactly is the point of "same shit as everybody else" hardware for premium prices?!

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] StayFrosty@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I feel eventually every company would do the same.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it more likely we'll get to the point where getting a key to unlock the bootloader requires some kind of bullshit businesses license, or else is only possible on higher end phones. Kind of like how Windows is increasingly walling options off from everyone except Enterprise users.

Or the end result of this eSIM shit comes to pass: unlocking the bootloader breaks the SIM and/or the carrier refuses to let it on the network.

[–] Chickerino@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago

asus has killed the possibility of me being a potential customer then lol

load more comments
view more: next ›