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Sorry, another news from this asshole, but this is too much assholery to don't be shared

Despite him being a shitty boss that fired employees that criticized him on twitter, he promised an "unlimited" legal defense fund to fight against employers that fired employees because of something they wrote on Twitter.

Under his tweet a lot of "verified" (=right wing) accounts plauded this and asked to fight employers who fired employees for having written something homophobic

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[–] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 84 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They aren't 'Tweets' anymore. They are Xcretes.

[–] Michal@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except when they're used in court as evidence, then they're called "xzibits"

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

Yo dawg we heard you like evidence

[–] Hazzia@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 year ago

Xcretions lmao

[–] Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev 7 points 1 year ago
[–] r3xus@lemmy.sdf.org 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Man, Grimes kicking him out and replacing him with a trans woman really messed up his head. This is some pathological level of obsession.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd be inclined to think he got dumped because of these levels of pathologic behaviour- if this is what we see in public, I can only imagine the things that happened in private between those two.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

His first wife publicly said that she felt a prisoner in her house, he's a psychopath

[–] Razputinsgirth@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Look he's clearly trying to control as much of the world as possible. Controlling his wife completely is guaranteed

[–] detectivemittens@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

He’s a giant garbage person.

It’s just kind of pitiful to hear stuff like this about him. All of his actions just reek of desperation of wanting to be respected and liked. He’s so controlling because it seems he’s so insecure.

[–] RaincoatsGeorge@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

He likes to pretend that he’s some Roman emperor god amongst mortals and we are all his playthings. If he were alive in Roman times who knows, he might have been a solid Nero but this is modern times. I suspect if we could see the tweets that historical figures would write we would have a hugely different perspective on them. Many people we hold in high regard were equal levels of dickhead. Unfortunately for him we got to see who he really is and you can’t rehab that image. All he had to do was shut the fuck up and play with his rockets. Instead he will only be remembered as a snowflake right wing troll. Nothing more.

[–] r3xus@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago

This could very well be the case, the guy is bonkers.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

yeah, could we maybe not frame it as "trans people hurt him so he's lashing out" type nonsense?
Not only is it false (he was like this long before that, you just had to be paying attention), but it also provides fuel to transphobes, who already make up enough, but we don't need to hand them more.

[–] r3xus@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Fair play, he might have been like that before, I admit the guy is not someone I follow closely. I also never intended this to sound or mean that "trans people hurt him", sorry about that. It seems that I'm drawing a false connection between his recent, to the best of my knowledge, bigotry, transphobia, homophobia and right-wing gusto and the split with his partner and their new partner's identity.

All I intended was to mock Musk for being the stereotypical macho asshole who can't accept the end of a relationship with dignity. I apologise if it came out wrong.

Still he can go fuck himself.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

I didn't think you intended any malice, it's just the way we frame things is important and our words have impact, which is why I pointed it out.

All I intended was to mock Musk for being the stereotypical macho asshole who can’t accept the end of a relationship with dignity.

next time you can just say that, it's accurate and places the blame where it belongs!

Still he can go fuck himself.

absolutely, I'm in no way trying to defend him here, it's just about trying to focus on the right thing and not play in to already damaging stereotypes (the "gay/rans panic" defence is where this particular one ends up).

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It’s not that “trans people hurt him”, it’s that he got dumped for being a dickweed and then blamed it jealously on a trans person. Also, his daughter who disowned him and the fact that he explicitly had all 10 of his kids with IVF so he could choose that they be born male says a lot.

[–] smellythief@beehaw.org 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

fired employees that criticized him on twitter

I hope one of those employees sues him. And asks him publicly to pay their legal fees.

[–] diskmaster23@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

I am surprised that nobody has sued the former president for those paying out when he said the same thing.

[–] Yepthatsme@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago

He’s fishing for fascists.

[–] CheshireSnake@iusearchlinux.fyi 32 points 1 year ago

Dude was forced to buy Twitter because he couldn't stop his big mouth. Seems he hasn't learned. Lmao.

[–] Karlos_Cantana@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We make our employees sign a form when they're hired stating that they will not mention our company or any of its employees on social media in a negative way. It's standard practice. Any company big enough to have its own lawyer(s), they will advise them to do that because it can help prevent serious legal Issues.

[–] prole@beehaw.org 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

We make our employees sign a form when they're hired stating that they will not mention our company or any of its employees on social media in a negative way. It's standard practice

The NLRB ruled that non-disparagement clauses are not enforceable

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/27/labor-board-says-non-disparagement-clauses-are-unlawful

It's a clear violation of the first amendment... Also, referring to the company you work for as "we" while talking about firing another employee is cringe as fuck.

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It has literally nothing to do with the first amendment.

The first amendment gives you zero protections from anyone but the government. All other entities are entitled to respond to your speech however the fuck they want.

[–] viq@social.hackerspace.pl 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@conciselyverbose
No, they need to do so within existing law and ideally also social norms. It's not ok for Bob to go after you with a rifle just because you said you don't like his hairstyle. That he can fire you for the same is atrocious.
@Moonrise2473 @Karlos_Cantana @prole

[–] Dr_Cog@mander.xyz 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not ok for Bob to go after you with a rifle because threatening someone with a weapon is illegal by itself. Firing someone is not

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Going after you with a rifle is illegal in its own right. The first amendment is not a factor in any way.

Firing you for it is unambiguously and unconditionally legal, unless you're in a state that has other limitations on your ability to terminate employees.

There is no scenario you can contrive where a non-government employer firing an employee for speech can be connected to the first amendment in any way. The first amendment can only possibly be relevant to the government.

[–] prole@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Oh ok... So I guess that means the National Labor Relations Act is unconstitutional (it's not, it was upheld by SCOTUS in the 30s), because it explicitly prevents employers from firing or otherwise retaliating against employees for discussing salary.

https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/your-rights-to-discuss-wages

Or do you think an employer should be allowed to fire someone for that?

Maybe don't give this current Supreme Court any ideas given their blatant disregard for stare decisis/precedence, and Chevron deference..

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[–] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah idk man, I would not call it "a clear violation" based on your link. This is basically the NLRB's opinion and they expect to be challenged on it.

Also I think we need to delineate those folks who are genuinely facing retaliation for discuss working conditions, and those who want Elon to help them sue because they got fired for saying the N slur on Twitter or other troll bullshit

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[–] VanillaGorilla@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Even if I hadn't agreed to this it would be a no brainer. If you found your friend talking shit about you they wouldn't be your friend anymore, why would an employer react any different?

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't know what kind of friends you have, but your employer is not your friend, nor your family.
They are there to exploit your labour for profit, and will only ever defend themselves, never you.

(this isn't to say I agree with musk or anything, fuck him and anything he does, and fuck the bigots, they deserve consequences to their actions, but the idea that anyone would defend their boss like they would defend a friend makes me sad and angry and massively frustrated. Those contracts Karlos mentioned are 100% ass covering by a company that is more concerned with its reputation than it is with its employees, which when you consider we live in capitalism is to be expected, but it still seems to escape so so many people - 99% of employers don't give two shits about you, including, and maybe especially, those who are really good at convincing you that they value "loyalty")

[–] VanillaGorilla@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I didn't say I think I'm friends with my company but to expect consequences when you get caught talking shit.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (10 children)

expect consequences when you get caught talking shit.

Sure, to a point.
Ever wonder why they never fire the bigot before they go public? The bigots I've met in life have really sucked at keeping their mask on, do you really think their employers (and fellow employees) were oblivious? Or was it only when there was publicity involved and the company feared for their own reputation, rather than the safety of their other employees, that they do something about it?
Yet if you tweet "my boss sucks", it probably won't go viral or get any publicity, but your employer can just as easily fire you for "talking shit" that literally didn't cause harm to anyone.

You specified:

If you found your friend talking shit about you

Meaning if the company found you talking shit about it, and the fact that you think your employer can and should have that level of control over your thoughts and actions is actually terrifying.

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[–] blunderworld@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ive defended these musk posts in the past, but sorry... This story has nothing at all to do with technology.

[–] terny@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Be liberal with your filters. I for one, am now filtering this, I'm tired of musk showing up in my feed.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 19 points 1 year ago

Does Trump's "Will be wild!" tweet count? He got impeached and now has 4 felony counts in relation to that one... I'm sure he'd LOVE to stick someone else with the bill for it...

[–] YMS@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

What will people do? Sue him to provide the promised legal funds they need to sue their employers?

[–] binaryphile@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Musk fighting at-will employment now. How socialist of him. /s

[–] totallynotfbi@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, this has nothing to do with technology. It's a useless article anyway, because it doesn't seem to actually say what his tweet said...

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Technology doesn't exist in a void, and pretending it does is how we get Wernher von Brauns.

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[–] Hyggyldy@sffa.community 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Lauded or applauded. Plauded is wordn't.

Edit: I am rightn't.

[–] Elderos@lemmings.world 6 points 1 year ago

Not sure how this relate to "Technology".

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