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Why are women more concerned about climate change than men? (www.ocregister.com)
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[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Women are reliant on the function of civilization to prosper, they don't do well when civilization breaks down, and they care for the welfare of their children.

Men tend to be more short-term focused, many think they'll do better in a collapse scenario (it's a very common male fantasy, many preppers believe having a gun and food when civilization ends will make them the hero), and also assume the best thing they can do for their kids is to leave them money, even at the cost of the overall society.

[–] deus@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I love the implication that men do well when civilization breaks down, as if we were somehow immune to hunger, disease and violence.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We aren't, but we believe we are.

Don't ask me, most other men I know believe they'd go full bear grylls the moment the power is off.

I know I'd be dead the first day.

[–] assembly@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ehhhh. I give myself two weeks. Bit if a survivor I am.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Go to /c/collapse, it's a bunch of preppers trying to pretend that they're not excited for the collapse of society.

[–] empiricism@sustainability.masto.host 6 points 1 year ago

@InverseParallax @deus

So we have the politicians such as Rishi Sunak that are promoting policies that increase the probability of an ecological collapse, & then on the other extreme the preppers that are, well, at least preparing for a climate crisis.

It's a stretch to think how things turned out so friggin crazy? 🤔 🤑 🤥

[–] Kichae@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah. My dick is going to make me a master survivalist. Trust me.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yea ... so in short, men lean psychopathic and women lean reasonable (stereotypically speaking, with however much divergence being potentially slight).

In the west, I'd suspect, beyond your comments, there's a tendency for men to feel like they have to pretend to be "tough", and often that translates into what the whole "toxic masculinity" thing is all about ... just shitty and dumb behaviours to the point that caring about something important can "make you look like a wimp".

I like a line Bill Burr threw at Joe Rogan when talking about vaccines etc, where Rogan said something stupidly "hyper-macho" and Burr straight way just yelled something to the effect of "Ok, let's all just drag our knuckles along the floor like we're apes now".

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

"think" being the key word.

[–] Monkeyhog@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Probably because they aren't idiots.

[–] Ghost33313@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Western society, as it is, is fucked for men. We are told to not be emotional, to not ask for help, to man up etc. etc. If a man, god forbid, does any of these things he gets ridiculed and shown next to no compassion. We get emotionally stunted from an early age and are told no one will help.

So should we be shocked that that averages out to less concern about others well being? It has taken me decades to undo the damage done by a cold harsh civilization. If we want anyone to show compassion they must first be shown compassion.

[–] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

There's a lot of generalization going on here.

[–] interolivary@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Small wonder he didn't blame women for it. It's men putting other men down, and then some have the gall to say that it's all women's fault

[–] Ghost33313@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

It's absolutely society as a whole. While I've experienced women do this shit, it's more men on men.

[–] Ghost33313@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Sure, but the article itself is a generalization to by the nature of averages.

[–] Damage@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

A lot of reddit too

[–] stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

We’re talking about statistics…. That’s the point

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

sadly they're all correct.

[–] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lol no. Speaking as a man, western society is MUCH worse for women.

I'll never have to worry about dying of sepsis while a dead fetus rots inside me because politicians want to legislate their brand of morality.

And that's just for starters.

[–] Benghandhi@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As a man I have to say this has not been my experience growing up at all. I can not relate to anything you just said. Maybe your small circle lacked proper role models?

[–] TheSambassador@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

While it wasn't my experience either, it has been the experience of some men that I talk to, and if you ever look at how conservative men talk, you can see that the "traditional man" concept is still being pushed on them.

If does seem like it's getting better, but as you said, it definitely depends on your social and family circles.

[–] Ghost33313@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Seems to be a regional thing from comments. But I've seen it up and down East Coast US and Midwest as well.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

we haven't figured out yet how to turn men into heroes for saving the planet

[–] interolivary@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can't fuck it, kill it, or eat it, so I guess it's harder to make some men care

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

that's really disgustingly simplistic, and entirely offensive, and you know that.. it's degrading to ALL men, not just the ones you don't like..

[–] interolivary@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

me: some men are shitty

you: HOW ABSOLUTELY DARE YOU THIS IS AN INSULT TO ALL MEN

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i know what you thought.. i corrected you, dollface..

[–] interolivary@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nice try with the gendering, honeycakes

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

don't get me turned on

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Environmental activism? People even die for it like proper heroes!

Every year, more than 100 environmental activists are murdered throughout the world.

Although, to be fair, about half of them seem to be women.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

i don't mean there are no heroes.. i mean, we haven't found a way to give every single man the opportunity to be a hero every day saving the planet.. this is why women care more, or whatever it is you're trying to stipulate.. as soon as a man - any man - can be a hero saving the planet, it will be a competition..

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

The people who are concerned about climate change must 1. Believe it is real, 2. Understand cause and effect, and 3. Have compassion for fellow humans. I'm guessing #3 is where the gender discrepancy lies.