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“John [Eastman] and Rudy [Giuliani] gave a lot of counsel,” one Trump advisor says ominously. “Other people can decide how sound it was”

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[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How much does anyone want to bet this will backfire when Eastman and Ghouliani flip and throw him under the bus? I think Ghouliani already entered into a proffer agreement, so he may have already decided not to trust the least loyal boss I'm the world.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It still amazes me how Trump keeps finding people that'll work for him and somehow expect him to stay loyal to them, despite all evidence to the contrary.

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Because they think they are smarter than the rubes who already got duped, are sure they're one of the 'good ones' in trumps eyes and won't get fucked over, or want to be a name in the right wing grift and are rolling the dice on coming out ahead once they can ebeg to all the rubes who support these chucklefucks.

[–] elscallr@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's like gambling on a stock. You can buy in on the way up and as long as you bail at the right time you can come out on top. Stay just a little too long, though, and you'll come away worse than you started.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Any examples of people who didn't get burnt and ended up ahead?

[–] elscallr@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Well.. me, I guess. I've made about a hundred thousand, here or there, but I'll admit I'm an outlier most likely.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Guiliani did enter into a proffer. He's cooperating.

[–] ME5SENGER_24@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

I like the tactic. Scapegoat them so they can be tried as well and end up in a cell right next to him. Counsel can be given, acting on it and unleashing a hoard of your MAGA retards on Washington DC is another thing entirely. Where are his kids? They need to be charged too!!

[–] style99@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

“My attorneys had a productive meeting with the DOJ this morning, explaining in detail that I did nothing wrong, was advised by many lawyers, and that an Indictment of me would only further destroy our Country,” the (so far) twice-indicted former president posted to his social media website last week.

I wonder if this sticks. If this does stick, it becomes a huge talking point for him being a weak, ineffectual non-leader. He could actually be throwing himself under the bus, politically speaking.

[–] Madison_rogue@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly MAGA doesn't care about that. Trump is a strongman to them; nothing that says differently will sway their opinion.

[–] Hairyblue@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Putin playing hockey in his late 60's and "scoring" all those goals against the professional hockey players is such an illusion. And so is the Strongman Trump pretends to be, until he is asked to serve in the military, then he has bone spurs. Ow ow ow.

He is a criminal who worked with Republicans to steal the election from the people.

[–] Phlogiston@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

This is an interesting inversion of the fascist doctrine that the enemy are both really strong and also really weak. Only here Trump and co are applying to themselves -- they're both super powerful and the only hope and also completely weak and ineffectual and always being led astray by the deep state or poor guidance from their own lawyers.

I wonder if this will work as well on their followers.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Won't hurt with his fans. They don't care that he did it, they don't care that he's lying.

[–] elscallr@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

He might prefer that to being thrown in jail. Either way we win.

[–] Phlogiston@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this feels like the prisoners dilemma playing out on the front page

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Trump has shown time and time again that he has no problem throwing anyone under the bus if it's in his interests. Choosing to trust him in a prisoner's dilemma is totally foolish, he's definitively proven himself untrustworthy.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, no. Sure Co-Conspirators 1 and 2 gave a lot of counsel. And a fuck ton more other people gave counsel that contradicted them. Trump chose to listen to who he chose to listen to.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Other people can decide how sound it was

That's not going to work at all. It was Trump's job to decide that how sound their advice was & for every lawyer encouraging criminality, there were two more telling him that this was illegal.

[–] HandsHurtLoL@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] Girlparts@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I put it in the title - Analysis

[–] xc2215x@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Knowing Trump, I am not shocked.