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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (6 children)
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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That is the biggest pile of bullshit nothingburger I've seen on lemmy. Utter trash article full of outright falsehoods, half truths, and horrible misunderstanding of things.

Like, they went in about the decrease in b vitamins in raw beef and pork after heating. Milk too, but you can drink milk raw safely. Of course the fucking b vitamins are decreased when heated. Good luck with your inevitable tapeworm, e-coli, and/or salmonella infections from that nice, healthy meat.

And that's the least empty bit in the whole thing

[–] ninekeysdown@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whomever wrote that is pandering to the type of person that only reads headlines and does no critical thinking. You’re 100% correct and it’s dangerous to promote that kind of easily debunked misinformation. This has no place on here and should be downvoted into oblivion.

[–] MaybeItWorks@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Did you see OP’s response? They’re fucking insane and advocating for raw food diets including raw meat.

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago

And they're convinced of the safety of a raw meat diet because of a single Instagram user purporting to have been consuming nothing but raw meat. Social media combined with gullible/ignorant people is such a cancer on the human race.

[–] ninekeysdown@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Just saw it now… 😩

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[–] falkerie71@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I'll save everyone a click to this bullshit pseudo-science website and put this archive link (from 2011!) here instead. And since I'm bored, I'll give it quick fact check why not. I may very well also be wrong, so you're all welcome to fact check the sources too!

What may have started as a nutritious plate of food has now evolved into “dead food” due to the dielectric heating of microwaves. “They bounce around the inside of your [microwave] oven and are absorbed by the food you put in it,” writes Dr. Joseph M. Mercola. The water molecules rotate rapidly in the microwave and in the food in high frequencies which creates molecular friction and heats up your food. This causes the molecular structure in your food to change, and as a result diminishes the nutrient content in the food.

Link just goes to Dr. Mercola's homepage website, a pseudo-science website written by someone who is known for dubious scientific claims, not even an article. (Side note, I find it funny that mercola's website URL has been excluded from Wayback Machine)
And are the water molecules bouncing or rotating? The article can't seem to make up its mind about it. And what does it mean by "changing the molecular structure in your food"? Seems like an extremely sensational way to say "the nutrients broke down", which by the way, tends to happen when you cook stuff, microwave or not. In fact, studies show that due to the shorter length of time microwaves need to heat up food, they tend to damage the nutrients the least. Boiling vegetables also robs them of some of their nutritional value because the nutrients leach out into the cooking water.

Microwaves Destroy Breast Milk And Vitamin B-12

If you're going to claim microwaving is bad, then at least also say if heating up via other methods would preserve the nutrients. The article and the study it links to does not say. Not dunking on the original study of course, but this is just a textbook way of spinning a study into something that they didn't claim in the first place.

When you head foods that are wrapped in plastic in the microwave, you can create carcinogens in the food. Based on Russian research and German studies, the Russian government issued a warning [...] says Foodbabe.

Yeah no shit. You're eating melted plastic. Same happens if you put plastic on the stove and eat food from it. No links to the research and studies, link to the Russian gov warning is to Mercola, and foodbabe is also a pseudo-science website. And why would anyone claim a study but put a link to another website and not cite the original source is beyond me.

Microwaves Can Change the Makeup of Your Blood: In a Swiss clinical study, researchers found that... The eight participants in the study ate a series of food...

The link to the study is to huffpost, not an actual study paper, and the article has since been removed by them. Looking at the archived webpage, it was written by Mercola again. The claims in the article itself isn't that different to this one, I'd say it's even more entertaining, including terms like Radiolytic Compounds and Biophotons.
It did say that there were 8 participants, but it also said that it was a significant downside that there was ONLY 8 participants, including the researcher himself, and that his methodology did not stand up to the scientific rigors of the field.

Microwaves can produce effects on your body instantly due to the 2.4 GHz radiation

Link to article is broken/taken down, even in internet archive. So let's look up Dr. Magda Havas and her study instead. This article sums it up quite good. Her Ph.D is in botany, not medical nor EE. And an article also pointed flaws in her tests. She did do a follow up research, but I still seriously doubt the credibility of it. Providing statistics of people who are sensitive to EMI by just asking them, and then place a 2.4Ghz source straight on their chest to test their heart rate, doesn't seem like a great way to test their claims.

[–] cloudless@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even more fact checking to debunk the pseudo-science:

We simply don’t know the long-term effects of radiation, so why risk it by watching your food cook in your microwave day after day and night after night?

Microwave radiation does not have any long-term effects on your health or food quality. Microwave ovens use non-ionizing radiation, which does not damage cells or DNA. Microwave radiation is also contained within the oven and does not leak out. Therefore, there is no risk of watching your food cook in your microwave.

https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/what-to-microwave-ovens-health

Tissues directly exposed to microwaves are subject to the same deformities molecules go through, and this can in turn cause you to experience “microwave sickness”. Remember, it isn’t just microwave ovens which emit this kind of radiation.

Microwave ovens do not expose tissues to microwaves, as they are shielded and contained within the oven. Microwave ovens use non-ionizing radiation, which does not cause deformities in molecules or cells.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26556835/

Microwaving food, in effect, potentially destroys and depletes the life energy, rendering the food completely dead and lifeless. In addition, the food’s nutritional value is lost and it becomes nearly useless in terms of providing any real health benefit.

Microwaving food does not affect its nutritional value negatively, as long as it is cooked properly and with minimal water. In fact, microwaving food can preserve some nutrients better than other cooking methods, such as boiling or frying, because it reduces the exposure to heat and water.

https://www.drberg.com/blog/do-microwaves-actually-lower-your-nutrients-in-food

Vitamin C in asparagus spears was lost during a 1999 Scandinavian study.

This is not unique to microwaving, as any cooking method that involves heat and water can have the same effect. In fact, microwaving food can preserve more vitamin C than boiling or frying, because it uses less water and shorter cooking times.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/microwave-cooking-and-nutrition

Microwaving Food Leads to a Negative Impact on Human Physiology & the Heart

The Swiss Federal Office of Public Health, which issued a press release in 1992 stating that Hertel’s study was not scientifically valid and that there was no evidence that microwaved food was harmful to health.

[–] falkerie71@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Very nice 👍

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[–] STUPIDVIPGUY@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The title is dumb and misleading, but I don't doubt that the microwave process does degrade the quality of the food. But that depends on the food itself, the microwave isn't killing you...

[–] cloudless@feddit.uk 8 points 1 year ago (13 children)

We should always doubt until we see evidence.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/microwave-ovens-and-health#nutrients

"Every form of cooking reduces the nutrient value of food.

The main contributing factors are temperature, cooking time, and method. During boiling, water-soluble nutrients may leak out of the food.

As far as microwaves go, cooking times are generally short, and the temperature is low. Plus, the food is usually not boiled.

For this reason, you would expect microwave ovens to retain more nutrients than methods like frying and boiling.

According to two reviews, microwaving does not reduce nutrient value more than other cooking methods"

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[–] fubo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This post was reported four times as pseudoscience and misinformation.

Currently this community doesn't have any rules against posting pseudoscience and misinformation for discussion.

Also, it seems like the discussion here has focused on exactly why this is pseudoscience and misinformation, with lots of educational links about how microwave cooking actually works.

So this stays up for now. Be nice, folks.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This post was reported four times as pseudoscience and misinformation.

Maybe the community is telling you something?

[–] ninekeysdown@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hey OP, if you’re feeling attacked maybe try to engage some critical thinking skills and the scientific method. There’s decades of established research and evidence that you can work on reproducing and proving it wrong. That’s the beauty of open information and the scientific method. I’m sure there’s an amazing opportunity for anyone who is able to show that decades of peer reviewed research is wrong.

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[–] barttier@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"The eight participants[...]"

No.

[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Including the not so scientific researcher lol

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

OP is right, that's why I cook everything in my anti-vax homeopathic oven. No 5G is getting in my lasagna 🤡

[–] cloudless@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have bad news for you, your lasagne contains dihydrogen monoxide, it can kill you! You are 100% going to die.

[–] chairman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You are absolutely correct. Research shows that 100% of people who died in the past 500 years has dihydrogen monoxide in their body!!!!!

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Oh no! Can I have some thoughts and prayers? 🥺

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[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

mediabiasfactcheck.com/medical-daily/

Bias Rating: PSEUDOSCIENCE
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: USA
Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

[–] kindenough@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Thanks, I just checked another site posted here as a source of 'facts'

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/natural-society/

[–] ninekeysdown@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago
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[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Give it another day or two and OP is going to be posting stupid shit about UFOs, flat earth or MAGA nonsense.

[–] walnutwalrus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

UFOs

a prevailing view is that aliens are demons and "UFOs" are a kind of fakery to distract people

flat earth

many people have become skeptical about the shape of the earth due to proven fakes about space and unanswered questions about space-related topics, for example popular pictures of the earth were not "real" pictures but composites:

https://qz.com/192700/the-guy-who-created-iphones-earth-image-explains-why-he-needed-to-fake-it

we also don't know what gravity is (just search "we don't know what gravity is" for a bunch of articles)

MAGA

if only we could break the uniparty...

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Shut the fuck up. No one wants to hear from you.

[–] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You know what is actually bad for your health?

Living.

[–] deft@ttrpg.network 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

this is so dumb

cooking food increases caloric intake. you absolutely get more nutrients from cooked food that is why we cooked food and why we have big brain

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[–] Treczoks@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Well, if people only live of typical microwave food, they do live unhealthy. I don't think this would be news for anyone.

For anyone else who uses a microwave e.g. to heat a cup of milk, this is most likely a non-issue.

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