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    [–] daniskarma@lemmy.world 116 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I can't wait to have to download a crack for my browser so a website thinks that my browser is using wei and no-adblock.

    [–] Psythik@lemm.ee 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    Just use Firefox. I don't understand why people are so hell-bent on using a Chromium-based browser.

    EDIT: I see now that I was grossly misinformed on the issue. Thanks for the replies.

    [–] 1984@lemmy.today 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    A few of us sitting and using Firefox while Google is suggesting being able to control what computer you use, what software is installed, what plugins you are allowed to have?

    This is a very big threat not solved by using Firefox.

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    [–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 29 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Right. I mean there's always going to be a way. Your open source browser can run a spoof of an "official" browser, present itself as a valid user, load the page with all the ads and tracking in a sandbox in between, strip all of it out and serve you the actual content.

    Or maybe people will eventually be fed up and we'll start our own internet completely out of corporate control.

    [–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

    Your open source browser can run a spoof of an “official” browser

    Not if the server requires the digital signature of a challenge to be produced by a key whose certificate is signed by a "trusted" third party, said third party only providing that key at runtime, if your browser can also provide the same kind of authorization from the OS, itself being only able to produce it if it can safely determine that it's running on completely locked-down hardware AND having online-activated DRM tells him he can provide such key; the hardware itself requiring constant online connexion to ensure it's "authorized", and including yet another layer of keys in hardware.

    There's been progress toward this kind of things. At every step, people warning about the risks are seen as lunatics. SecureBoot preventing booting a custom kernel? No problem, microsoft will sign your keys. TPM not delivering keys to non-trusted kernels? No problem, just don't use it (and don't get the keys, obviously). UEFI requiring digital signature to be flashed? It's for your safety, but we won't give you the keys or it would defeat the purpose. Embedded CPU inside your CPU running opaque code on every operation you do? Trust me bro, there's no problem here.

    Sure, opensource (or even just open at this point) alternative will most likely remain available as a niche, but once all major services that people want requires such a chain of control, the vast majority of people will gladly flock to locked-down system. Heck, it's already happening. Nowadays I can't even log into my bank website without a trusted iOS or Android device. The "free, open" alternative will be rare, expensive, and only work for people that cares. Which is not too much sadly.

    [–] QuazarOmega@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

    Reject modernity, return to Gemini

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    [–] duckCityComplex@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Maybe the thing to do here, when web sites start enforcing this, is to swamp them with support requests. Don't write a screed or manifesto with ethical or technical reasons why this is wrong. Pretend to be a non-technically-inclined user and tell them you've spent hours trying to get it to work and your browser keeps throwing up errors you don't understand. They will ignore the principles, but if they think the technology is "too hard" for their "dumb users," that might carry more weight.

    [–] Hans5958@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    I don't think this will work. If companies can get away of slapping us by doing "please use Google Chrome or other Chromium-based browsers" just because Google implements the most niche, probably privacy-last, feature ever, then they will get away with it this time, again.

    [–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I literally can't log into the Amtrak Android app unless I have Chrome installed. It strictly relies on Chrome custom tabs. Other browsers that support custom tabs don't work.

    I cannot imagine any reason for this except sheer ineptitude.

    Guess what Amtrak support told me when I reported this as a bug?

    [–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

    They told you to take a hike instead of a train

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    [–] orl0pl@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    The free internet is bad for Google.

    [–] Korkki@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago (1 children)
    [–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Okay I wasn't expecting to be attacked like that.

    [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yeah, it's a great line. Herbert was a genius and it's easy to forget that, at many levels, the Dune series is a political science treatise.

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    [–] papajohn@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 year ago

    Secutity is not priotity.

    [–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So what can we do? Egg their headquarters? Because so far our useless politicians haven't passed bills to fight this.

    [–] TheObserver@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It'd help if the government wasn't run by a bunch of ancient humans that were there when cavemen would draw on cave walls. The government has shown time and time again they don't understand tech but always try to act like they do. Take that tiktok case for example. They made themselves look like idiots to the USA. Pathetic.

    [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    The worse problem is the corruption more than the age.

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    [–] snowgrimm@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

    I think the moment for me was when they had Mark Zuckerberg himself, testify to Congress.

    They didn't "grill him" as media would've liked to have you believe. The guy danced around all of Congress because they themselves didn't know a damn thing about what he was saying. Of course he wasn't penalized and got off scot-free.

    Just like every other tech company. The FTC, has no teeth. The FCC, has no teeth. Congress, has no brain.

    [–] UFO64@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Use forks or other browsers than chrome.

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    [–] gaybear@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago
    [–] kshade@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

    More DRM. Browsers already support DRM schemes for media playback.

    [–] tr35y7@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Not overly worried - the EU anticompetition laws will swat this down on this side of the atlantic - but not sure about the US

    [–] snowgrimm@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    The US will welcome it with open arms. Because of course, America.

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    [–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    That's not a WEB browser, that's a Googleverse browser.

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    [–] MTLion3@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They’re adding DRM? In what way?

    [–] TeddE@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Basically by allowing websites to refuse to load unless the browser the operating system running the browser promises that the user isn't allowed to know what the computer is doing. And Google super duper promises this won't be used for evil.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/07/googles-web-integrity-api-sounds-like-drm-for-the-web/

    [–] GlowingLantern@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    If you want to experience this kind of feature today, try streaming in 1080p or better on Linux. Worse than DVD quality even if you pay for 4K HDR, just because of DRM.

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    [–] brihuang95@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    You can read a little about it here

    I also encourage you to look at the GitHub...be warned that there are some quite angry folks on there

    [–] MTLion3@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

    Understandable lol

    [–] ColtC7@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    where linux

    i know google sucks but still

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    [–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

    They already did it with site doing SEO for Google's algorithmic dark patterns.

    [–] CodeSalat@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

    One of the four authors of the proposal is on my mastodon instance. How ironic (and kinda embarrassing).

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