this post was submitted on 18 Mar 2025

312 points (97.3% liked)

Buy European

3969 readers

2919 users here now

Overview:

The community to discuss buying European goods and services.

Matrix Chat

Rules:

Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. No direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments.
Do not use this community to promote Nationalism/Euronationalism. This community is for discussing European products/services and news related to that. For other topics the following might be of interest:
Include a disclaimer at the bottom of the post if you're affiliated with the recommendation.

Feddit.uk's instance rules apply:

No racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia or xenophobia
No incitement of violence or promotion of violent ideologies
No harassment, dogpiling or doxxing of other users
Do not share intentionally false or misleading information
Do not spam or abuse network features.
Alt accounts are permitted, but all accounts must list each other in their bios.

Benefits of Buying Local:

local investment, job creation, innovation, increased competition, more redundancy.

Related Communities:

Buy Local:

!buycanadian@lemmy.ca

!buyafrican@baraza.africa

!buyFromEU@lemm.ee

!buyfromeu@feddit.org

Buying and Selling:

!flohmarkt@lemmy.ca

Boycott:

!boycottus@lemmy.ca

Stop Publisher Kill Switch in Games Practice:

!stopkillinggames@lemm.ee

Banner credits: BYTEAlliance

founded 1 month ago

MODERATORS

buyeuropean@feddit.org

lazycog@feddit.uk

312

I've updated the Digital Independence cheat sheet for leaving big tech (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 days ago by lukakopajtic@lemmy.world to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk

77 comments fedilink hide all child comments

I never imagined the original post would go so viral and be seen by +6M people. But I guess it shows there’s real momentum — and the perfect time to finally escape big tech’s grip.

I went through hundreds of reposts of the image and took in feedback from community comments. I’ve replaced USA-centralized apps like Brave and Bluesky with more open alternatives, and added self-hosting indicators.

As many of you recommended, I’ve also created an online version with descriptions that we can constantly update and improve.

Drop a comment if you have suggestions for a better alternative, improved description, or a feature for the site. Let's break free together!

top 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 12 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

IMO Gmail -> Thunderbird is a bit flawed since you'd still need a service provider. It could be Thunderbird + Posteo / others (please no ProtonMail).

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Ever tried Tutanota or Disroot ?

[–] bobotom4444@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

What is wrong with Protonmail?

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

They support ✨nazis✨

[–] Mailloche@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

They do?

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 1 points 3 hours ago

Yes

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Let me give you a more precise info; The CEO is a Trump supporter & the Compsny doubled-down

Of course it didn't impact the product, but still why would Trump "Stand up for the little guys"

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 1 points 3 hours ago

My answer was precise, yours just added fluff.

Trump is a Nazi and proton did express support. Therefore they support nazis. This isn't complex math.

[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

No they don't. Their CEO is an idiot and said that Republicans are the party of small business and did so on the official Proton social media channels. But it clearly is their opinion and they never said they support Republicans and Trump on anything else.

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Ok Nazi apologist

[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 hours ago

👍

[–] Kajika@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

"CEO" is the company, we are still in a capitalist society. The board would also count but we can very safely assume they're agreeing.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Nice, but highlighting a particular Linux distro might not be great. I see the point in minimizing amount of choices, but many people may not like default Mint experience.

[–] Kajika@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

It's debatable, there's no perfect answer. As a dev I am always on arch and never tried once mint. Every opinions I read the last 5 years says that mint is solid and very friendly to windows users. I can live with such a recommendation in a cheat sheet for unaware people.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Ok Zorin then

[–] DreasNil@feddit.nu 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I agree. At least suggest both Mint and Ubuntu. I recently started using Linux just a couple of weeks ago. Started with Mint and I hated it! Then I moved on to Ubuntu and it’s way better for my taste.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 6 hours ago

For me it was Manjaro that helped me switch over, and now I'm on Fedora. Didn't like Mint either.

[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Its a bit odd to suggest Nextcloud for Google Drive but then leave it off the replacement list for photos and Docs. Use the Memories App in Nextcloud ans add Collabora and you have those features in Nextcloud too. News app = Google Reader, RePod+AntennaPod = Google Podcasts, Nextcloud Talk instead of Google Meet and Zoom. (just add cloud hosted stun/tun server for performance video chat when hosting from home.)

[–] absquatulate@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (6 children)

As with all impromptu lists, this one is pretty flawed. For example, as much as I love it, lineageOS is not useful for "digital independence" in any meaningful sense, since it's just a more cleaned up version of android. Or PeerTube, which can't really be considered a realistic alternative to yt. It's fine in itself, but it's so small and so hard to scale that you might just be better off giving up the yt format altogether. And then there's Thunderbird. I love it but it's a CLIENT, you'll still need a mail provider.

[–] Kajika@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

If you search about it you can lock your bootloader with LineageOS.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

LineageOS is worse than that. You can't have it and also have local security as you cannot lock your phone bootloader with an unsigned image. You can't protect yourself from anyone with physical access to the phone.

[–] rippersnapper@lemm.ee 1 points 21 hours ago

Not to mention the fact that a bunch of banking apps won’t work on LineageOS. You can try magisk as a workaround for some, but others just won’t.

[–] jnod4@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So the moment you get lineage anyone with physical access can install bootloader things in your phone? Eg cerberus?

[–] psud@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago

Can install any software

load more comments (4 replies)

[–] lath@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's a start, but the goal should be to have multiple options. Any monopoly can either be bought or abused and we should work towards making those as hard as possible.

load more comments (2 replies)

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

LibreWolf is not an alternative to chrome, it's a fork of FF. It won't run Chrome extensions... which chrome users would likely expect to be able to run.

For a Chrome alternative, I use Vivaldi (which is based in the EU)
As a Firefox alternative, I use Waterfox

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 4 points 5 hours ago

LibreWolf is listed as an alternative web browser; not an alternative way to run Chrome extensions.

Similarly, listing Mint as an alternative to Windows is about having an alternative computer OS. It is not about having an alternative way to run your Windows apps.

And Lemmy is an alternative 'ranked forum' (or whatever you want to call this). It is not an alternative way to read reddit threads.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Firefox is always & will be an alternative to chrome

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 2 points 3 hours ago

As far as I'm concerned, it's the other way around. FF was there first ;)

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Any browser is an alternative to any other browser, IMO. They all have the same purpose.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu -2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Any browser is an alternative to any other browser, IMO.

But they can't run the same extensions, hence the fact that there is store for FF browsers and another one for chromium browsers. Since people can be very picky regarding their favorite extensions. So, suggesting some FF-based browser as an alternative to a Chromium-based one is the best way to disappoint quite a few potential users... for no good reason.

They all have the same purpose.

Like all computer or phone have the same purpose, still people will prefer one brand over the others, on even in one brand, one model of the other. Despite all of them being phones (or computers). Should we forbid people any choice because you consider it's not important in you use case?

[–] MrFinnbean@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Tbh people who care about their extensions is small (and loud) minority who most likely know how to search browser fitting for them without this chart.

If something works for 95% of people you dont need to cater for the rest.

[–] dunidane@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What separates waterfox from firefox or librewolf?

load more comments (1 replies)

[–] Chakravanti@monero.town 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (16 children)

Session
Signal
GPG2
VLC
Tuta
OpenKeychain
KeePassXC
NetGuard
Mullvad
Ironfox
BLE Radar
Transmission
Obfuscate
Monero/Haveno

[–] rippersnapper@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

I mean WhatsApp is already E2E encrypted. Meta doesn’t make money off WhatsApp (only WhatsApp business). Any IM service that’s big in MAU (monthly active users) costs big money in server traffic. Me using WhatsApp costs Zuck money. In return the only data he can sell is about my metadata (i.e. how often I contact someone etc). For normal usage I think WhatsApp is more than ok. However if you’re worried about govt snooping cuz you’re a journalist or some such then yeah, switch to Session (loved the fact that “Terminal List” series name dropped it).

load more comments (15 replies)

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don’t think piracy is a proper alternative to paying for commercial content.

Free content is.

So it shouldn’t be on this chart IMO. It’s a separate topic. It’s not a good look to lump piracy in with open/free software ideology.

[–] Kajika@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

There's no piracy as alternative in the list.

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 days ago

Droidify is just a bloated wrapper for F-Droid

[–] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 6 points 1 day ago

Hello, very nice guide:)

I'd just like to bring to your attention, a very thorough comparison of messengers you might want to check😄

https://eylenburg.github.io/im_comparison.htm

load more comments