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TL;DR

  • Google has added a tabbed interface to the Terminal app in Android 16 Beta 3.
  • The Terminal app lets you run Linux apps in a virtual machine on your Android device.
  • Adding tabs makes it easier to multitask, as you can issue commands without having to wait for a process to complete.
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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago

Docker works as expected:

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

ITT: nobody understands the difference between this and Termux

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I also don't really see a point to it

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That's fine, but there is a big difference between the two. Termux is a terminal emulator for the host operating system, while this is a VM running a completely separate guest operating system - Debian 12, in this case. ARM version, but still Debian.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

Oh dang, I gotta get on the new android!

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 3 points 2 days ago

I really hope linux apps don't start getting dependent on google libraries

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

RDPing from Android into the VM after installing a desktop environment:

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How's it run? Have you done any performance tests?

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

No benchmarks. It works, not very fast in the guy but usable.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

So I tried this just now, and it works. It looks pretty good at first glance. Proper Debian VM, can listen on ports, can access files under Downloads. It just takes 10-20 seconds to start and a few to stop.

[–] juli@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

would you switch over from termux for this? for performance or something else?

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

It's a debian VM, much better than messing with the android system. All I want now is bridged mode for the network adapters

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

For things that don't work on Termux. The only advantage of Termux is that it starts way faster and it consumes significantly less resources. Other than that, the VM would be superior. So if I had to connect via SSH to a machine, I'd probably use Termux.

[–] biscuit@lemdro.id 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

can access files under Downloads

Wait, you can access local files on your phone's storage in the VM now? Is that a new addition? On the Android 15 version of this, you don't have any local access at all.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

I'm on the standard Android 15 on 8 Pro. The shared storage is mounted at /mnt/shared

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What do we think is Google's motivation for adding this?

[–] testman@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Supposedly Google would have better time taking care of just one consumer OS instead of two, so Android is getting some PC features so that it will be able to replace ChromeOS in the future.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Shoulda done that a long time ago. Do we think it will be released with accompanying hardware? Something similar to a NexDock or Razer's Linda hardware?

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's part of AOSP so whoever ships Android probably could expose it to the user.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 days ago (10 children)

This is like giving a bandaid to someone who just broke their fucking femur. I want actual linux and open source on my phone not a container that runs debian.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's a real VM, not a container. Chances are you can run containers on top of the VM. Haven't tried.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago

Just tried, and yes you can.

[–] 01011@monero.town 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

RIP maemo. Nokia really messed that up.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I had the n810 and always coveted the n900

[–] 01011@monero.town 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Physical keyboard. Debian Linux for mobile. It's still my favorite smartphone ever.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

u had one!??

the best smart phone I ever had was the BlackBerry q10

[–] 01011@monero.town 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I did indeed. Kept using it for as long as I could until I was compelled to switch to Android/iOS. I dislike them both but Android is the lesser of two evils.

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[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Ahem termux had this feature for ages

[–] Michal@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

The use termux?

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Sure but this can do things that Termux can't. E.g. running a desktop, Docker or whatever else a full Debian OS can run. Plus you can do tabs in Byobu or whatever.

[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[–] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It is also possible to run GUI desktops in Termux since ages, for example take a look at:

AnLinux (Run Linux On Android Without Root Access) https://f-droid.org/packages/exa.lnx.a/

It was also possible to run a "full Debian" using PRoot etc

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Sure but according to the AnLinux project docs you can't really run everything Debian can. For example it says it can't run some DEs. For me this isn't about whether Termux can do things a Debian VM can. I know it can. It's about can Termux do everything a Debian VM can and as far as I know, it cannot.

And then there's the work the Termux team has to do to get programs to work on Android. With a Debian VM, there's no additional work needed. Whatever the Debian team packages would just work.

[–] Ajzak@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

ight now i need a pixel with video out and I'm satisfied.

[–] SatyrSack@feddit.org 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The past two generations have supported that

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yep and there is a new desktop mode that will be available soon as well.

[–] Ajzak@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

holy shit huge news, for some reason i didn't catch that. Thanks!

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago

I haven't seen anyone talking about it except Graphene OS

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