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    [–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 157 points 4 days ago (4 children)
    [–] groet@feddit.org 115 points 4 days ago (9 children)

    It could. It just doesn't want to. Why would it? Its your computer.

    If you want to delete / including the EFI partition turning your machine into a paperweight you should be allowed to do so.

    [–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 45 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    I don't want my mom to be able to turn her computer into a paperweight...

    [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 87 points 4 days ago (8 children)

    Don't give her sudo permission then.

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    [–] LinyosT@sopuli.xyz 17 points 4 days ago

    While that is possible. You do have to go out of your way to do that in ways a typical user wouldn’t.

    Aside from that like others have said. Just don’t give sudo perms and have them use Flatpak.

    [–] SARGE@startrek.website 15 points 4 days ago

    /j then you don't love your mother enough to learn coding and make a mom-proof distro.

    /uj oh my god I have ptsd from the one time my parents tried to switch to apple products. It lasted less than a week. Please don't let them decide to switch to Linux and ask me things.

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    [–] socsa@piefed.social 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    SELinux: I'm sorry Dave, we don't do that here.

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    [–] blackjam_alex@lemmy.world 105 points 4 days ago (20 children)

    Installing old Linux applications IS a problem. They're available only if someone repackaged them for newer distros. If not they can't run anymore because of dependencies mismatch.

    [–] unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 43 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    This is a good reason for static linking. All the dependencies are built into the binary, meaning it is more portable and future proof.

    We don't need flatpak for this!

    [–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    And harder to fix vulnerabilities in a linked library, and more bloat in both storage space and memory used.

    Trade-offs!

    [–] unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

    I'll take a program that isn't getting updates anymore or simply wasnt working in my modified environment using slightly more ram and storage over it not working at all.

    I have firsthand experience with videogames made for one flavor of Linux not working on my machine due to dependency hell.

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    [–] crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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    [–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 79 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    My favourite thing about updates on my work Mac is when you say 'try in one hour' thinking it'll ask you then an hour later it aggressively closes your programs. I use Linux, Mac and Windows regularly and Mac has by far the worst update experience out of all of them imo.

    [–] CameronDev@programming.dev 50 points 4 days ago

    I've clicked the "install updates tonight" button a bunch of times, it consistently fails to update and then I have to force it to update the next morning. Incredibly poor experience.

    [–] Marty_Man_X@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    Yes but it also reopens everything exactly as you left it, meaning you can update and not loose anything mission critical; ymmv ofc but in my personal experience MacOS has the best update experience from mainstream OS

    [–] arken@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

    Definitely. I've used macos for work for 10+ years now and never had an issue with updates. Windows updates on the other hand...

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    [–] TheTwelveYearOld@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    "I can't delete bloatware" - all 3 of them

    [–] Fabian@feddit.org 17 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    I would say you can on do that on Windows and Android, but it is not intended by the OS and you have to work around certain measures. Linux just lets you do everything, even if it is a really bad idea

    [–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    you could do that on windows. no longer.

    linux is fine, just don't sudo under the influence.

    [–] TheTwelveYearOld@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

    All of them are pushing generative AI that many users don't want and you have to manually opt out on Windows and Mac.

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    [–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

    You can also remove the fr*nch language pack via rm -fr /

    But in all seriosity, i tried to install Linux dual-boot with Windows on my dad's computer last weekend, and it broke the windows install because it doesn't support bitlocker (apparently). Maybe i could have gotten it to work, but i abandoned the project after the first failed attempt. Still a bit salty about that. Especially since it was meant to be a demonstration how "quick and easy" installing Linux nowadays supposedly is.

    [–] arschflugkoerper@feddit.org 29 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    The best way to dual boot windows and linux is with separate drives, not partitions imo.

    [–] tempest@lemmy.ca 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    You're missing the last step, throw out the windows drive.

    [–] arschflugkoerper@feddit.org 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    Sounds great in theory, but there are still things that only work on windows for me.

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    [–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 16 points 4 days ago

    It is quick and easy. Maintaining any other OS side by side is always a bigger ordeal than not doing it. It breaks the other way around as well - If you were running some linux distro and then tried dual booting by installing windows - no way you'd be able to boot into linux without extra tweaking.

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    [–] Comtief@lemm.ee 49 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    Linux: i can't stop dumb users (me) completely destroying everything with a bad console command

    [–] palordrolap@fedia.io 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    I'm pretty sure that if you use elevated privileges to run commands you don't understand, you can break Windows just as much as you can break Linux. Windows might pop up an extra "Are you sure?" box or two though. It's been a while since I did anything on that OS.

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    [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 21 points 4 days ago (8 children)

    A great learning experience to not copy paste commands yoj don't understand.

    [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)
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    [–] NightmareQueenJune@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (7 children)

    But that's in my experience sadly very necessary especially in the beginning when you are getting into Linux. So getting into Linux has quite a steep learning curve because not knowing what you are copy pasting can have terrible consequences, but understanding everything before you copy paste is very demanding.
    When out comes to my main rig, i never had the experience of everything just working out of the box. There was always something that required me searching for obscure fixes, hoping for the best.

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    [–] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago

    I much prefer that to Apple's approach of "you probably didn't want to do that, so you can't". I've literally had to boot into Linux to fix things on Macs. Fucking infuriating.

    [–] ugh@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

    I did this. Luckily, nothing was lost because I was only using it to learn at the time. It oddly boosted my confidence because if I could break the OS, I could learn how to use it.

    [–] TheGingerNut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 days ago (11 children)

    I'll say it once, I'll say it forever: Windows has better backward compatibility, period. Even compared to linux. Rebuilding an old open source linux app to work on a modern distro can be done, but it's a process that could take hours or days. And if you don't have the source code you're shit out of luck. Have fun getting that binary built against a 1 year old version of glibc to work. This, incidentally is what things like flatpak, docker and ubuntu's nonsense competitor to both (of which our hatred is entirely rational no really stop laughing) are trying to solve.

    Meanwhile microsoft office still handles leap years wrong because it might break backwards compatibility with old documents. Binaries built for windows xp will usually just work on windows 11. Packages built for ubuntu 22.0 often won't run on ubuntu 23.0. You never notice this because linux are a culture of recompilers. Rebuilding every last package once a month is just how some distros roll. But that's not backwards compatibility, that's ongoing maintenance.

    [–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    But is that desirable? I'd rather break things in favor of something better, and provide a way to make the old thing run, than be stuck with ancient baggage

    Also, while that's true for software, compatibility for old hardware is horrible under Windows

    [–] el_psd@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago

    I'd rather break things in favor of something better, and provide a way to make the old thing run, than be stuck with ancient baggage

    Windows is office software first and foremost, designed to be used by people who neither know nor care what an "operating system" is. Every last one of these people is entirely incapacitated by even the most lovingly-crafted and descriptive error message. If Microsoft ever considered a policy like this, the city of Redmond would be razed to the ground inside twelve hours

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    [–] subtext@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    I can’t remember the original version of the comic, what does each one of them say?

    [–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (6 children)

    Speaking of not being able to delete system apps, a friend of mine with a Pixel phone says Google Play cannot be uninstalled from it. Anybody know for sure?

    [–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Neither can the Chrome or Youtube apps, among others...

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    [–] zarathustra0@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

    Someone clearly hasn't heard of dependency hell.

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