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[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why does Treason Trump hate the Free World? Why does he hate freedom and democracy? We does Trump hate America and American values?

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Because you have to be willing to not control everything. He wants to run the world like one of his businesses. You are just a cog to serve him and enrich him, failing to follow his orders is insubordination. You have no value beyond how you can be of use to him. Nothing and no one has any inherent value. You are ultimately disposable.

His fans likely subscribe to this philosophy until they are on the receiving end of it then they play the victim.

[–] Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 week ago

Values, freedom, and decency are his mortal enemies. He's a parvenue with a god complex.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Take note: All Zelenskyy was asking for was what kind of guarantees the United States could provide in exchange for the mineral deal. Trump and Vance either could not or would not answer the question and made buffoons out of themselves.

Ukraine should not sign. USA under Trump will betray them at the first chance he gets. Getting support from mainland Europe would be more likely to see lasting peace, especially when Russia has been on the back foot for months now.

[–] jimmux@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Trump was so backed into a corner he reflexively rambled about Hunter Biden's laptop and Hillary Clinton. What a joke. Then doubling down on Vance's inane rambling about not showing gratitude, channelling peak abusive parent energy.

All because Zelensky made very reasonable points about requiring guarantees.

Absolute amateurs.

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[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’m just one US citizen but I’d like to apologize to all Ukrainians on behalf of 50% or so of all people here. Our leadership is disgusting.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (5 children)

EU citizen and i'd like to say your apologies are empty and hollow to us. Do something. This isn't a joke, this isn't hyperbole or a leftist talking point, you're under constitutional crisis. Do something.

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

This seems like a good place to post this:

Our current situation really is the culmination of almost 70 years of rightwing efforts. It’s a long listen but worth checking out How Conservatism Won by Robert Evans. He lays out in a clear concise way “how a consortium of rich failsons got together to fund a network of right wing think tanks and shift American culture in a fun new direction. (note: it was not actually fun at all).” They’ve been very successful and those think tanks are now pipelines used to funnel ideological purists into powerful positions like our current Supreme Court.

It's worth remembering that one of the primary ghouls/traitors responsible for the attempted overthrow of our government on J6 was Roger Stone, the same traitorous ratfucker who began his career working for Nixon and has a fucking Nixon tattoo on his back. It's really impossible to overstate just how fuckin' bad these people are and they're winning.

I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities. The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety.

The coup was successful, they're in power and if they don't want to give it up they won't.

Get to know people in your community. Take an interest in growing food, learn how to fix things. Establish secondary lines of communication and start preparing.

https://www.dsausa.org/

https://mutualaiddisasterrelief.org/

https://socialistra.org/

https://generalstrikeus.com/

https://afsc.org/news/how-create-mutual-aid-network

https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/raids/

https://mutualaidhub.org/

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

EU citizen and i’d like to say your apologies are empty and hollow to us. Do something. This isn’t a joke, this isn’t hyperbole or a leftist talking point, you’re under constitutional crisis. Do something.

Sorry to tell you this but at the moment Europe's nuclear arsenal is the only thing standing between humanity and disaster.

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[–] zarathustra0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Trump and Vance are bullies. The kind of damage this will do to the PR of the USA is incalculable.

Will there be anymore goodwill for the USA?

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, if the position of the country can change to such an insane degree by the results of a single election cycle then a lot of that goodwill that was given prior, should be examined.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

That's the sad fact of the matter. Trump and Vance and Elon and the rest of the administration are a fucking catastrophe, yes. But what is even worse than that, what is even more damaging for the long term viability of diplomacy, of international relations and governance, is that even when these clowns are gone, it can happen again.

Every time another country signs a trade deal, an alliance, a pact, an agreement of any sort with the US, even if the current leadership is absolutely incredible, that can change dramatically on a dime within 4 years. That has always been true, of course, but historically the precedent has been that new administrations are largely consistent in upholding international agreements. But a new precedent has been set, that agreements (aka "sheets" as the dumbass calls them) are worthless, that they can be torn up on a whim, that peace may require you to fluff the ego of a megalomaniac and kiss his feet, that you might have to placate idiocy and bravado and STILL have your economy rocked by asinine trade policies, that the threat of invasion and war could be a negotiation tactic for trade deals...

Countries are going to completely detach themselves from the US in all matters, and they absolutely should. We are going be turned into a North Korea-like state. Cut off from world trade and information, no diplomacy, just a looming threat to the whole world. Fuck me, this shit is bleak.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

It won't go so far as being like North Korea. But there are countries out there that don't get good trade deals because of this exact problem. We will have to pay more for every trade deal we make for the next 30 years because other countries can't be sure we'll keep our end of it. It's just like getting a loan with a bad credit rating. You can still get the loan but the bank is going to demand more compensation because of the risk.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Every time another country signs a trade deal, an alliance, a pact, an agreement of any sort with the US, even if the current leadership is absolutely incredible, that can change dramatically on a dime within 4 years.

The "Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde" effect.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

this is what putin wanted all along, isolate the us, so they dont intefere with RUSSIAS internal matters, such as with crimea, ukraine, russian satellite states.

[–] lath@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're being too pessimistic. Alliances have always been about being strange bedfellows that'll stab each other in the back should the proper conditions ever be met.

No matter how kissy-kissy politicians may be in front of a camera, backroom dealing is still the norm. Only the orange guy mistook the backroom with a toilet and so it stinks of shit for everyone to see.

Whatever the end result of this, whoever's left afterwards will get back to tender intimacies without a hitch.

[–] FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Is this take supposed to be less pessimistic?

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[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

The US needs to clean house.

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[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That was one of the most disgusting and rage-inducing videos I've ever seen. I would not have been able to restrain myself from punching Trump in the fucking nose if he had talked to me like that. I'm not a tough guy or violent in any way, and the Secret Service would have killed me, but the way he yells such insulting things at a world leader who is trying to save millions of lives... holy crap. And then Vance jumps in and claims he never said Thank You. I would've kicked him in the nuts and said, "thank you, now I feel better."

This was a setup from the get go. They had no intention of signing any deal. This was all to get him in front of cameras with them so they could piss on his face and act like tough guys.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Trump had a reason for doing what he did. The former head of Kazakhstan’s intelligence service said 40-year-old Donald Trump was recruited by the KGB in 1987

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5162890-assessing-new-allegations-that-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb/

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I particularly love the part where he says Obama sent them sheets and Trump sent them Javelins* then pauses to look at the camera and tell the media that that's their headline. He may be losing his marbles, but that attention whore instinct goes straight to the core

* *Not sure if that's the military aid he tried to block in order to coerce them into investigating the son of a political rival, or if he's just taking credit for the aid sent under Biden that he actively opposed. Either way, it's fucking rich for him to take credit for military aid when he is personally responsible for delaying and reducing the aid Ukraine got.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

Trump won't be mean to Putin because he wants to "make a deal" but he seems to be fine insulting the fuck out of Zelensky.

[–] notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Few takeaways:

  1. JD Vance is talking over a tired-looking trump who can't follow the conversation (See, him trying to correct Zelenskyy on the date of Crimea's annexation, claiming it was 2015, then responding to being corrected on the date that, "I wasn't there". Like he was there in 2015, LOL).
  2. This was a preplanned ambush that is the most cringe fucking thing I've seen in the last 5 years, from MTG's fucking boyfriend (I wish I made this up, I really do), attacking Zelenskyy for not wearing a suite, to which he responds by saying "I'll wear a costume after the war is over. Like yours, but maybe better"
  3. JD Vance is really really bad at acting. He theatrically exclaims how the Oval office is being dIsReSPecTed!!!111!!! but with like a 5 second delay and with limited enthusiasm. All it does it tells you that this was the plan all along.
  4. Marco Rubio had a Dr Birx/drink bleach kind of moment there.

Overall the only news here is trump is really really declining cognitively. I wonder how long it will take NYT to notice that....

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (7 children)

"I'll wear a costume after the war is over."

What a savage takedown, holy shit.

Zelenskyy is a class act. America doesn't deserve to even be sitting at the same table as this guy.

[–] margaritox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Just to clarify, in Russian and Ukrainian “costume” means “suit”.

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I wonder how long it will take NYT to notice that....

Once it's in their oligarch-owner's interest

[–] LuckyPierre@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

. He theatrically exclaims how the Oval office is being dIsReSPecTed!!!111!

And Trump using the Oval Office to sell another of his silly red hats for personal profit earlier in the week wasn't disrespecting it?

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Remember when he endorsed Goya beans in the Oval Office? Good times.

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Americans now

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago

The audacity of Vance to demand gratitude whilst twisting the knife they implanted in Zelensky's back...

For Shame...

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