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“Keir Starmer will also host European heads of government and the leaders of Canada and Turkey at a special defence summit aimed at presenting a united front on the Ukraine crisis.”
So….a defence meeting with Great Britain, Europe, Turkey, and Canada without the US. This sounds an awful lot like a NATO meeting without the US.
Trump may not have to worry about leaving NATO. They may do it for him.
Thatstheplan.txt
The motivation now is for Europe to finance the entire war... to ensure Zelensky doesn't need to go back to the US.
Such disgrace. I've heard of "ugly Americans", but this is ridiculous.
I mean we had to get off the US' teats at some point, it's been 80 years. A pity that it had to happen like this, but we have to look forward and turn Europe into the beacon of democratic ideals that the US refuses to be anymore. It will be a hard and rocky road for sure, but we can come out the other side stronger and better in every way.
Us practically made eu dependant on them for military protection
With the new privacy nightmare policy, we can improve democracy right? ... right?
Wait, in Europe? What's the new privacy nightmare policy? I thought y'all enjoyed the GDPR. Did I miss something recent? :(
...but also I'm posting from the U.S where privacy is "whatever you can encrypt yourself", which isn't much.. it's a very low bar.
the EU has taken some great steps, but they also had a big push for backdoors into all encryption. luckily this happened
Yea, it’s a shame that the American people elected this clown to represent them. I’m really heartbroken they/we didn’t choose better.
...twice.
It was also heavily rigged just like 2020, republicans will never investigate that
Conspiracy bullshit is ruining this country. Didn't contribute.
I agree, but also if we follow the 'pubbicans PR pattern of "Loudly accusing you of doing what I'm actually doing right now in front of everyone."
...it's almost hard not to believe it was tampered with from their end. Not on the vote counting side, like they accused "the libs" of doing (and just ended up harassing a bunch of poll workers, after all, they hate anybody who works.) but this mutated monster GOP never plays a fair game if they can help it.
Events from yesterday are sad, not just for Ukraine or even Europe, but they will also hurt US long term.
US right now is on the path of losing its dominance. All the soft power US is losing, China is stepping in. Russia also believes it can once again become a superpower hopefully EU get's its security seriously and won't let them.
That’s why they compromised trump.
Really tired of people saying "this is so bad for the US!"
Yea....no shit. That's literally the whole point of all these insane actions.
And I'm also getting a little tired of them expecting me to be sad that this is bad for the US. A lot of the "woe is me, the US is losing influence!" Sounds almost as whiny to the non-American audience as some of the MAGA stuff about the world not being "grateful" enough for them.
The US' international influence has been a mixed blessing for a long time. I'm kind of looking forward to seeing what Europe manages to put together as a replacement. Could be a step up.
A lot of the "oh noes the US is losing influence" comes twofold from:
General sinophobia as China is often seen as the next viable global superpower.
Americans who deep down know exactly how good they've had it because of that influence and are suddenly scared that their own country could become the true corrupt, broke shithole it has always really been. We only ever had wealth because we dominated and stole it from the rest of the world.
I'm with you, US losing influence isn't a bad thing. It's only bad for US citizens, who need to get a grip on how comfortable and coddled they have really been, even if they are poor. US poor is not international poor, once again, because we stole so much wealth from the rest of the world. I say this as a US citizen who is daily disgusted by the selfishness and coddled ass attitudes of his fellow Americans.
A good example of why is how we took the worlds outpouring of compassion after 9/11 and squandered the fuck out of it by playing world police and killing untold millions in the middle east and Europe has been dealing with the aftermath for 20 fucking years now.
As someone living in Asia, the US losing influence is a really scary thing. China has been increasing their aggression in the region and the US's presence has always been the counter to that. It was a good balance but a weaker US will tip the balance to China's favour. Not to mention that the US has been a key factor in getting Korea and Japan to work together on security matters. Unfortunately, there's no EU or NATO equivalent for us to rely on.
As someone living in NATO area, I wish we would start NATO 2 without the US. They can effectively veto anything they want.
Time for a new collaboration.
Isn’t that what the EU is? What are the military aspects of being in the Union? I’ve only ever heard about the economic aspects.
Eu is primarily an economic cooperation Although there are ideas for a shared army.
I know its a daydream but this aussie would love to join the EU.
Maybe its time for an Eastern Union? IDK just thinking out loud.
I agree that lots of US folk are too complacent and miseducated to be useful, and many of our biggest wishes is just trying to get grown adults to have even a shred of responsibility for themselves and those around them.
I think people generally were a bit less useless until corporate influence pushed its hardest to culture-breed a dumber and more subservient consumer-employee type of human being, and was mostly successful.
Paywalling and undercutting education being a massive factor here.
But "sinophobia"? LOL! No.
Willing to bet most people , aside from the usual suspects, are just fine with Chinese people and culture.
Anyone with sense should be afraid of Pooh-bear's CCP dominating global politics. A regime which tells the Chinese people what "their culture" is allowed to be, and forcibly injects itself into daily life.
Politically, judging by how they treated Hong Kong, and are currently treating (was gonna list but...dang that's a list.) ...every neighbor ...yeah that would be bad news.
This country isn't perfect, obviously. But I'd rather have the shred of a chance for us and other countries, that getting our shit together could change something for the better eventually.
You simply wouldn't get that chance with China or Russia holding dominating influence.
US losing influence isn't a bad thing. It's only bad for US citizens
The US has ordered the world for 70ish years, for better and worse. When that dominance topples, everyone will be rolling the dice on wherever comes next. China is poised to gain from that. Name your favorite Western European nation and it’s much more of a toss-up. China’s neighbors are more likely to come out as China’s vassals. Thinking only the US have benefitted from the US led world order post WW2 is hilariously naive. You talk a good game, ready to rush into a future without it, but you are leading with the chin.
US losing influence isn’t a bad thing.
It does raise the risk of the USA doing desperate and destructive things, like starting a world war.
“Step up” are the exact words Europe needs to take to heart right now. Fuck the US. We’re the worst of everything everyone says about us and we don’t deserve a moment’s sympathy. I mean it’s been literally decades since the last time we pulled Europe’s security out of the fire for them. So show us what you can do without leaning on us.
Yeah, but this assumes that the EU will be able to get itself together and act. Right wing governments are on the rise and the biggest bloxk opposing them in the EU Parlament are the conservatives. Europe is not known for its fast and swift decision making. Everything takes ages over here.
I just don't see the EU acting in union enoth to be able to face the challenges "stepping up" brings with it.
It's gone. The USA is a superpower only because of its allegiances. In the past week it's been demonstrated that the US no longer wishes to be a part of that arrangement.
The US has already lost its dominance. Anything you think you see to that end atm is general inertia. People are mentally prone to incredible inertia in behaviors.
The signs of power vacuum between first trump term and second trump term are there. China. Israel. Russia. And now the world is already rallying together against the new world bully.
Because that is who Trump is. A bully with a giant war chest. No one likes a bully. Incidentally, on the psych side, they usually have daddy issues and/or have been abused at home.
The brunt of it ends when Trump dies in his sleep from his medical ailments (he doesn’t look good). And then we see the real agenda of the people around him in this admin, in full force. Likely less erratic with the war chest though, and more focused on destroying any and all remnants of power and will to live in the working class.
"Sorry our kid turned out to be such a douche."
I don't think Zelenskyy was humiliated, it was the US. He stood up for himself well. Trolling and bullying an ally isn't a good look.
I hardly think I’m in some piddling minority in thinking that my country is a fucking disgrace and Zelensky is a righteous man worthy of respect.
No most of you do but you don't organize so a foreign country has taken control and is dismantling the government
King Charles steps into diplomacy; is this soft power or a risky political gamble?
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The royals meeting heads of state happens regularly no?
Sure, but this meeting carries symbolic weight given the ongoing conflict and alliances.
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It’s interesting that conservative circles are lauding Trump for removing the US from wars in “matters that don’t concern us”. Their take, not mine.
And yet. All of this feels like a seismic shift prefacing going to war.
Even the first term I always had the sense Trump wanted to play with war toys. Akin to him acting like a little boy playing with toy truck when behind the wheel of a construction vehicle. Now he’s more erratic than ever before, and has the people around him willing to do his bidding.
And this is not an administration that would hesitate to draft people.
a seismic shit
Despite the tone of this thread, this made me chuckle. Thank you.
I hope the UK & EU get all of those tasty mineral rights and Trump get left holding nothing but his limp mushroom dick.
I hope Ukraine keeps its mineral rights, and we all fund their war. We should be thanking them for kicking Russia in the cunt, not taking away their resources while they fight a war for the EU and NA.
Thank goodness, I'm embarrassed that the walking cheeto would melt down like that while holding one of the most prestigious offices in my country, although unfortunately I'm not surprised by it. I'm glad Ukraine has other places it's leadership can turn too in this time of need. Sadly, I can only hope that the dark spector of mortality does it's work swiftly in the oval office and this geriatric orange is done for good sooner rather then later.