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[–] pageflight@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

The map below shows rates of home insurance nonrenewals in recent years. You can explore your state and areas with the highest rates in the country, including California and Western states facing wildfires and Eastern Seaboard states like Florida and the Carolinas with elevated hurricane risk.

nonrenewal map

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The insurance companies had an obligation to maximize shareholder value. That is the sole purpose of insurance companies.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 9 points 1 day ago (6 children)

This is a really dumb take. Pulling out of a market where it's impossible to even break even is not greedy or corrupt.

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[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Louisiana be like, let's add a few more refineries, and a ethane cracker plant for good measure

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Man insurance is such a scam. They'll only actually offer hypothetical coverage if they know you won't need it 😅

Actually need it? "Well, we have to make a profit! Why would we pay for that thing you're paying us to cover?"

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Man insurance is such a scam. They'll only actually offer hypothetical coverage if they know you won't need it 😅

Actually need it? "Well, we have to make a profit! Why would we pay for that thing you're paying us to cover?"

An insurance company takes the data it has about whatever someone wants to insure, uses its actuarial system to find out what its risk value is, and then charges you slightly more than that value over time.

You will probably never need the service, but if you do, they’ll help you out. Because they’re charging more than the actual risk value, over time and over a large enough subset of clients, they’ll make some profit, even while paying to replace or fix people’s houses. Which is fine, they are providing a service and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with profiting from providing a service. You win, they win, everyone benefits.

In return, you get the peace of mind of knowing that if the worst happens, you’ll be at least somewhat better off and able to afford to rebuild.

If the risk of event X gets too high in an area, and the company isn’t allowed to say, “You’re covered for everything but X,” the company would either need to charge enough to cover essentially the value of the house on such a short timeframe as to be untenable, or stop providing coverage. They don’t have infinite money, so if they‘re forced to provide coverage at a lower rate than the risk level, and something like a massive hurricane or flood or fire happens, they go bankrupt. Now no one gets their house rebuilt.

Just because a company only operates where they make a profit doesn’t make them a scam. They aren’t a charity or a public service.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Climate change makes risk unpredictable; risk makes insurance unaffordable or unavailable; no insurance makes mortgages unavailable; without mortgages property values crash

Why is it without mortgages property values crash? Is it because sellers are forced to sell to only people who can pay cash? I suppose that makes sense. And of course those won’t be “people”, those will be banks and investment companies, looking to rent the property out to tenants. So more large chunks of money are siphoned away from the middle class.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If a property is at risk and uninsurable, banks won't provide good terms for a mortgage, because ultimately the property is at risk. This means they're either going to lower the mortgage, or increase the rates. This means less money is available to purchase the property, which forces a lower price on the seller (because nobody else could buy, unless they use cash, but why would someone pay cash on an at-risk property?).

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Right, but the quote from the article specifically says mortgages will be unavailable. So forget about insurance and mortgages. (If we follow that line of thinking.) so I assume that means only cash buyers.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Man, this thread is reminding me that Lemmy is even worse than Reddit when it comes to being populated by people who have strong opinions about things they don't understand at all.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 19 points 1 day ago

I FUCKING LOVE MAGNETS

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So many people here are speaking as if real estate insurance companies are doing something evil by pulling out of markets where it's impossible for them to make a profit or even break even. The companies are not reneging on any obligations, just turning away customers they can't afford to insure, and people here are responding by saying things like all insurance is a scam, and the insurance companies abusing their customers to enrich their shareholders.

I get the feeling they're taking their opinions of the private health insurance market and applying them to insurance in general, and in doing so they're demonstrating a lack of understanding of what insurance is for, why it's required for certain purchases, and why people choose to do business with insurance companies even when they don't have to

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[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is what fucking insurance is supposed to be for. It's not a way of making obscene profits. It's a way of making reasonable profits providing a service people need.

The US government ought to require insurers to ensure everywhere had a reasonable cost, or get out of the fucking business. They ought to require a base rate everywhere across the nation. Let everyone see what these fuckers are up to.

In Florida the state insures the highest risk people. It's the same damn thing. Should we let the insurance companies have the low risk clients while we the people fund all the high risk clients?

That's bullshit.

[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It's a way of making reasonable profits providing a service people need.

And 6 months ago they saw that they were likely to take major losses insuring homes in that area so they stopped renewing policies. So the options were to use the last-resort state provided insurance (FAIR Act), go uninsured, or move. A lot of people didn't switch to the state insurance.

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