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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 1 hour ago

I mean it is, but it's also not a bad thing in moderation (heh)

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 14 points 3 hours ago

Well, it is censorship.

People just wake up to a realization that some censorship should exist, and it makes many uncomfortable.

Other than that, don't be tolerant of the intolerant, and you'll be fine.

[–] Live_Let_Live@lemmy.world -2 points 2 hours ago

leftists have become what they hated the most, horsehoe theory is real people, call it horseshoe fact

[–] b1tstremist0@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

And we say we are living in a democracy. Mark my word, there is not a SINGLE democracy in the world. It sounds good on paper but the technicalities are far from theory.

[–] LuckyPierre@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Democracy isn't about getting your own way.

True democracy (Direct Democracy) can't happen - you'd need to vote in every single decision. Without everyone's decision, nothing could get done. It's bad enough for a family of four to agree what movie to watch, let alone a whole country. It would be democratic if most people watched what they wanted, but the logistics for a country ain't gonna work.

That's why most Western countries in the world have Representative Democracy - we elect people to do that stuff on our behalf, and are aware of affecting factors. And by and large, it works. Sure, there are always failings and scandals and someone can point these out, because human beings like to cheat and have their own agendas, and of course, power corrupts. Sadly, there is no form of government that is safe from subversion.

If you don't like a decision, vote for a representative that you think will do more of what you want. Or form an effective protest.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 1 points 9 minutes ago

The voting system used is important. "Pick the one you want, most votes wins" sounds perfectly usable but it trends towards two main parties. There is undue pressure to avoid the main party they dislike the most from winning by voting for the main party they dislike the least. It gets worse the deeper we look at the "winner take all"/"first past the post" voting system (used in the USA, UK).

I don't know what an effective protest would look like but that's probably the better option. People tend to get insulted or bored if you try to explain how their vote doesn't really matter.

[–] b1tstremist0@lemmy.world 1 points 32 minutes ago* (last edited 24 minutes ago)

That's the problem. You can elect any representative but you can't ensure its a good one if the voters themselves are the choke-point, maybe you decide not to vote, vote based on trends, vote in panic or vote for some ideology rather than what should really matter to everyone in a long term.

I wonder how is US a true democracy. Its a two-party system, you can argue its better than China's one-party system or Democratic People's Republic of Korea (ahem!) but that's all there is to it.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 7 points 7 hours ago

Suddenly they care. One dead CEao and a bunch of whiny scared Billionaires is enough to stop 10 years of hateful content. Interesting lesson right there. Censorship is only good if it protects the rich.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

If in a work of fiction I have a villain call my hero the n-word to demonstrate that the villain is an unapologetic racist, and I am told that I can't have that because the word is bad in and of itself and that racist behavior cannot be tolerated even in fiction..

That is censorship, even if your goals are noble they are also ignorant, as showing disgusting things in fiction is often done in order to condemn similar behavior in real life.

If you call a black person the n-word in real life, and he stomps your ass.

This isn't censorship, this is comedy.

If one goes onto an online community and calls its members radical insults in an unfriendly clearly non-joking hostile manner. Then the guilty party should be removed from that community,

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Who decides when the content is "hateful"? The perpetrators of genocide characterize themselves as marginalized and their victims as a force seeking to eradicate them. That is the problem with censorship. Those are the people who end up with the control of speech. You end up with an Orwellian inversion of concepts like hateful speech for the exact reason that they can be weaponized for profit and power.

You show me which fascist government is going to censor the fascists living under it. It's a paradox. They will not. They will censor the resistance.

[–] b1tstremist0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

We've come to decide 'hate content' on ideological basis that the question of 'who decides' arises. If people could be more realistic than idealistic, that would've never been the issue. In this situation, what's in your head becomes more important than what you really need because something didn't go your way.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 20 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I mean it is censorship. But not all censorship is bad.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago

There will be no protection under the social contract for those who wish to violate it.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 31 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Advertising is hateful content. Ban the entire marketing industry now please.

[–] b1tstremist0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Agreed. Let everyone be free to decide. I don't want something shoved to my face 24x7, its inorganic and harmful.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 16 points 13 hours ago

The majority of advertising we see in the US should be banned for sure. It is just thinly veiled psychological fuckery designed to manipulate us. Not cool.

[–] big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space 10 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Well it depends on the definition of censor.

If you define censor as, "to suppress or delete as objectionable" (Webster) then it fits just fine.

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